ENTS, Well I do know a little about Acadia that might apply elsewhere. A big reason Rockefellers et.al. protected the land was so they could always keep coming there and never have it change. There was much bad feeling historically between Mainers and the rusticators/summer people. Fine line between protecting the land and keeping the townies out. Rockefellers: the original NIMBYs! But, now Acadia National Park is absolutely essential to the economy of Bar Harbor and the other towns where people live in their houses all through the year. So, there's that.
The way people fawn all over big donors makes me feel so disturbed sometimes. Saw it so much working for many opera companies and symphonies. So many volunteers, people donating small sums that are a much larger % of their income, so many freelance artists working for small wages and getting no benefits, yet, plenty of money and gratitude for the new "Xavier P. and Forsythia G. du Carnegie Tischman Memorial Ladies Room Rotunda and Snackbar". I just think the appreciation and credit given does not reflect the reality at all. But how about those Longwood Fountains, huh? Ain't they somethin'? I wonder if the highest water plume is taller than the tulip tree measured by Scott (163')? AND is this a sugar maple I climbed? http://picasaweb.google.com/JennifDudley/TulipTreesAndASugarMapleLongwood?feat=directlink Jenny P.S. European Pigeons were brought here in the 1600s, so I think they can qualify as "naturalized"! And just think, without them, there would be no pigeons at all because Americans killed ALL the millions of native ones.. On Jul 7, 11:35 pm, "Steven Springer" <[email protected]> wrote: > Steve, > > I wonder if maybe the generosity is due to the "humanity behind the curtain > of industry" that reveals itself from time to time to offset negative > publicity, whether fairly or un-fairly due. > > Steve Springer > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] on behalf of Steve Galehouse > Sent: Tue 7/7/2009 10:01 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ENTS] Re: Longwood Tulip: PA height champion > > Jenny, Steven- > > The park I hiked in this past weekend was once owned by the Seiberling > family(Goodyear Rubber)--I think a lot of 20th century industrialists deeded > land to public domain, though not sure of the motives. I think many of the > industrialists were unscrupulous on a business level, but generous on a > public, philanthropic level---the edges become more blurred with time and > history. > > Steve > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:08 PM, JennyNYC <[email protected]> wrote: > > Steve, > > Oh man, I can't believe you know all this about du pont industries! I > don't have enough knowledge about modern industrial corporate > practices to have much of a dialogue about this. But as for the past, > I can say that I've read too much about the inhumanity of the old > industrialists - American or Otherwise - to be able to think highly of > them, no matter what goods and services they provided. But I would > completely change my story if Dupont did something to stop the hideous > recreational pigeon shooting in PA. Even though they are in Delaware. > > Oh, I did see those tremendous Cedar of Lebanon and some grand Norway > Spruce. But I just get so mad when the vegetation is upstaged in a > public garden by, oh, say, hundreds of fountains for example.... > > Jenny > > On Jul 7, 9:19 pm, "Steven Springer" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > Jenny, > > > > But I gotta think he got a tremendously good deal on the > property...just > > can't romanticize any of the "Great American Industrialists" or > think > > of them as saviors of trees. > > > > Well, I cannot comment on what he may have paid for the property > (the country paid pennies to the dollar for lands that would be developed > into National Forests and National Parks), but come on Jenny, give credit > where credit is due. Du Pont Industries has a lot of properties (particularly > around the Chesapeake Bay) that have been preserved for conservation and > wildlife studies. Du Pont industries is also a large grant contributor > (money-wise) regarding wildlife and fisheries (and other environmental) > studies. > > > > Many of the "Great American Industrialists" have provided a lot of > modern necessities and luxuries that you and I enjoy and may take for > granted. American industries are more environmentally conscience than most > foreign entities, so I'm not willing to bash the "American way" and neither > should you. While there may be some "bad apples" within the realms of > industry regarding exploitation of natural resources, it would be unfair and > erroneous to lump all into the same pot. So don't fall prey to this. > > > > Longwood Gardens has some great tree specimens; Giant Sequoia, > Cedar of Lebanon, among others. They also have developed some popular azalea > cultivars such as "Delaware Valley White" (if you are a gardener and/or plant > 'appreciator' like me!). Also, it is a pretty place to visit during > Christmas time! > > > > All this plus the fountains make it worth the visit when in the > Philly area. > > > > (Barry, have you been to Longwood Gardens?) > > > > Steve Springer > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: [email protected] on behalf of JennyNYC > > Sent: Tue 7/7/2009 6:02 PM > > To: ENTSTrees > > Subject: [ENTS] Re: Longwood Tulip: PA height champion > > > > Steve, > > > > Yes, he bought land that belonged to a Quaker family, the Peirce's. > > They had owned the land nearly 200 years and along the way some > trees > > not normally found in that part of the world were planted. It was a > > sweet little grove with, alas, many lovely and infested hemlocks. > But > > I gotta think he got a tremendously good deal on the property...just > > can't romanticize any of the "Great American Industrialists" or > think > > of them as saviors of trees. > > > > The lover of fountains will be in water-plumed heaven at Longwood, . > > Shows on the even hours....at night, set to music and incorporates > > light shows. > > > > Or visit the nice trees... > > > > Jenny > > > > On Jul 7, 5:54 pm, "Steven Springer" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jenny, > > > > > Longwood Gardens is a neat place to visit. There is a story that > the > > > whole place was started because Pierre was interested in saving a > grove > > > of trees from development! How about that from a businessman!? > Du Pont > > > has done a lot of positive things regarding conservation and > > > environmental study, in addition to general "giving back" to the > public. > > > Because of him, the state of Delaware does not have a sales tax. > He > > > seems like he would have been an interesting individual to > befriend. > > > > > Steve Springer > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On > > > > Behalf Of JennyNYC > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:16 PM > > > To: ENTSTrees > > > Subject: [ENTS] Longwood Tulip: PA height champion > > > > ENTS, > > > > I visited Longwood Gardens outside of Philadelphia yesterday and > found > > > some great tulip trees, including one recently measured by ENTS > member > > > Scott Wade! 163.3' height. PA height champion. > > > > Nice forest, beautiful meadow...The rest was all about Fountains > and a > > > massive Conservatory designed by early 20th century biggo Pierre > du > > > Pont. Supposed to be an important botanical garden, but I just > liked > > > the trees and meadow. > > > > Fountains??? Can you get more cliche for one of these corporate > > > Napoleons? I read he used to 'entertain' his nieces and nephews by > > > putting secret fountain jets around the grounds and suddenly > turning > > > them on to surprise them. They were probably traumatized by Uncle > > > Pierre... > > > > Anyway. Here's a link to what i think is the tulip tree that Scott > > > measured. There was a beautiful maple too beside the meadow. There > > > were so many sugar maples that I assumed this was one, but it > could be > > > a red. > > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/JennifDudley/TulipTreesAndASugarMapleLongwoo > > > d?feat=directlink > > > > Jenny --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
