Hi Bob,
I¹m so glad you and Monica enjoy the Catskills. Perhaps there is a slim
chance you could stop by for a visit if you come again. If we weren¹t
leaving for a vacation, I would invite you to stay this weekend. We are in
the southern catskills adjacent to the Neversink Reservoir, probably an hour
and a half south of Hunter. After seeing Will¹s photos, I hesitate to say
we have large hemlocks, but maybe just a few medium sized ones. We had a
magnificent, immense white pine, but it blew over about 3 or 4 years ago.
An ancient red maple, cherry and many large yellow birches scattered around
a couple hundred acres. And a small kettlehole bog. Not impressive by
Appalachian ENTS standards, but not bad for the lower Catskills, where most
old second growth such as ours has mostly been high-graded. I¹m hoping that
our hemlock hollow and ravine are such perfect growing conditions that our
hemlocks will resist the adelgid and become old growth eventually.
If you plan to be in our neck of the woods in September or October, possibly
the prettiest time, I would love to show you around.
Have a great weekend.
Carolyn
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Carolyn Summers
63 Ferndale Drive
Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706
914-478-5712
From: Bob <[email protected]>
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:01:54 -0400
To: ENTS <[email protected]>
Subject: [ENTS] Fwd: geology
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Bob <[email protected]>
> Date: August 13, 2009 8:45:48 AM EDT
> To: Joseph Zorzin <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: geology
>
> Joe
>
> It was especially gratifying to be out yesterday with you and Mike. Most
> peope who visit Mohawk with me enjoy it but you two knew what you were looking
> at and appreciated it from a deeper level of forest understanding.
>
> Folks who attend my programs often get a kick from my enthusiasm but otherwise
> relate too Mohawk only in general ways. The forest doesn' t stand out as extra
> special. I understand and work all the harder, which they seem to enjoy. By
> the time my programs end, I think they believe they've been in the company of
> a real southern evangelist. Perhaps they have.
>
> Anyway, it was great to get back out in the field with you and great to get
> out for the first time with Mike and Sun.
>
> Currently Monica and I are over in Hunter Mountain New York. Were getting
> another Catskill high. I can't get enough of the Catskills, but looking at the
> forests, or rather the condition of the forests makes me all the more aware of
> how special Mohawk is.
>
> BTW, I neglected to mention yesterday after I measured the girth of Tecumseh
> and found that it has reached 12 feet, Tecumseh joins a very select club of
> 12x160. At this point we have only 5 sites in the entire Northeast with
> members of that club: Cook Forest, Hearts Content, Anders Run (formerly),
> MTSF, and MSF. So PA and MA share the honors. Other states in the Northeast
> have no entries.
>
> Will Blozan can fill in the members fom the Southeast. Will?
>
> Bob
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 5:14 AM, "Joseph Zorzin" <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
>
>> Bob, I suppose that must be a conclusion. It's often said that in areas where
>> the bedrock is very mixed doesn't correlate all that strongly with the
>> vegetation in glaciated areas because the soil was pushed around (till) and
>> all mixed up but there still has to be some correlation. At least it's a
>> factor along with the protection MTSF gets from having high hills nearby. The
>> high hills not only offer protection but lots of water draining down from on
>> high- and nutrients draining down with that water. Probably the biggest
>> factor of all though is the fact that those stands were not cut- similar good
>> terrain is probably common and should have had similar great trees.
>>
>> I think the lesson learned is that PROTECTION is the most important thing-
>> which is why we must continue to protect other forests that have the
>> potential to also be great, even if it's centuries from now.
>>
>> Wild guess but I suspect there must be many similar pockets of trees in the
>> NE that were not cut - which simply haven't been discovered by big tree
>> lovers.
>>
>> Joe
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Bob <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>
>>> To: Joseph Zorzin <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:31 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: geology
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, do we conclude that the rocks are very rich in trace minerals and
>>> they contribute to the tree growth?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 12, 2009, at 6:49 PM, "Joseph Zorzin" < <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bob, I just reviewed my statewide geology book- it's clear that the
>>>> bedrock in the area we saw today had a volcanic origin.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joe
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