Carolyn
I more than enjoy the Catskills, I'm nuts about them and for many
reasons. One big reason is that, unknown to most, there are
approximately 64,000 acres of old growth left in the Catskills - as
determined by Dr. Michael Kudish. Most is high altitude forest -
stunted, but nonetheless magical. I
I've spent time in at least a dozen OG locations studying and
measuring. Doesn't take much time to understand why the OG survived.
Boy, what rugged country!
Today Monica and I were in some of the OG on Giant Ledge. It was
my 5th climb onto Giant Ledge and adjoining Panther Mountain. I'll
send pictures tomorrow.
We'd love to visit you and check out the trees in the southern
Catskills. It might be a while before we can make it down there based
on our current schedule, but we definitely want to do it.
Bob
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On Aug 13, 2009, at 6:53 PM, Carolyn Summers <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
> I’m so glad you and Monica enjoy the Catskills. Perhaps there is a
> slim chance you could stop by for a visit if you come again. If we
> weren’t leaving for a vacation, I would invite you to stay this week
> end. We are in the southern catskills adjacent to the Neversink Res
> ervoir, probably an hour and a half south of Hunter. After seeing W
> ill’s photos, I hesitate to say we have large hemlocks, but maybe ju
> st a few medium sized ones. We had a magnificent, immense white pin
> e, but it blew over about 3 or 4 years ago. An ancient red maple, c
> herry and many large yellow birches scattered around a couple hundre
> d acres. And a small kettlehole bog. Not impressive by Appalachian
> ENTS standards, but not bad for the lower Catskills, where most old
> second growth such as ours has mostly been high-graded. I’m hoping
> that our hemlock hollow and ravine are such perfect growing conditio
> ns that our hemlocks will resist the adelgid and become old growth e
> ventually.
>
> If you plan to be in our neck of the woods in September or October,
> possibly the prettiest time, I would love to show you around.
>
> Have a great weekend.
>
> Carolyn
> --
> Carolyn Summers
> 63 Ferndale Drive
> Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706
> 914-478-5712
>
>
>
> From: Bob <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: <[email protected]>
> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:01:54 -0400
> To: ENTS <[email protected]>
> Subject: [ENTS] Fwd: geology
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Bob <[email protected]>
> Date: August 13, 2009 8:45:48 AM EDT
> To: Joseph Zorzin <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: geology
>
> Joe
>
> It was especially gratifying to be out yesterday with you and
> Mike. Most peope who visit Mohawk with me enjoy it but you two knew
> what you were looking at and appreciated it from a deeper level of
> forest understanding.
>
> Folks who attend my programs often get a kick from my enthusiasm but
> otherwise relate too Mohawk only in general ways. The forest doesn'
> t stand out as extra special. I understand and work all the harder,
> which they seem to enjoy. By the time my programs end, I think they
> believe they've been in the company of a real southern evangelist.
> Perhaps they have.
>
> Anyway, it was great to get back out in the field with you and great
> to get out for the first time with Mike and Sun.
>
> Currently Monica and I are over in Hunter Mountain New York. Were
> getting another Catskill high. I can't get enough of the Catskills,
> but looking at the forests, or rather the condition of the forests
> makes me all the more aware of how special Mohawk is.
>
> BTW, I neglected to mention yesterday after I measured the girth of
> Tecumseh and found that it has reached 12 feet, Tecumseh joins a
> very select club of 12x160. At this point we have only 5 sites in
> the entire Northeast with members of that club: Cook Forest, Hearts
> Content, Anders Run (formerly), MTSF, and MSF. So PA and MA share
> the honors. Other states in the Northeast have no entries.
>
> Will Blozan can fill in the members fom the Southeast. Will?
>
> Bob
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 5:14 AM, "Joseph Zorzin" <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]
> > > wrote:
>
> Bob, I suppose that must be a conclusion. It's often said that in
> areas where the bedrock is very mixed doesn't correlate all that
> strongly with the vegetation in glaciated areas because the soil was
> pushed around (till) and all mixed up but there still has to be some
> correlation. At least it's a factor along with the protection MTSF
> gets from having high hills nearby. The high hills not only offer
> protection but lots of water draining down from on high- and
> nutrients draining down with that water. Probably the biggest factor
> of all though is the fact that those stands were not cut- similar
> good terrain is probably common and should have had similar great
> trees.
>
> I think the lesson learned is that PROTECTION is the most important
> thing- which is why we must continue to protect other forests that
> have the potential to also be great, even if it's centuries from now.
>
> Wild guess but I suspect there must be many similar pockets of trees
> in the NE that were not cut - which simply haven't been discovered
> by big tree lovers.
>
> Joe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Bob <mailto:[email protected]>
>
> To: Joseph Zorzin <mailto:[email protected]>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:31 PM
>
> Subject: Re: geology
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> So, do we conclude that the rocks are very rich in trace
> minerals and they contribute to the tree growth?
>
>
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Aug 12, 2009, at 6:49 PM, "Joseph Zorzin" < <mailto:[email protected]
> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob, I just reviewed my statewide geology book- it's clear that the
> bedrock in the area we saw today had a volcanic origin.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
> >
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