Lee
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us.
Bob
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On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:44 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> Mike, Paul:
>
> Red pine does best on rocky soils of the Canadian Shield and also
> sandy
> outwash plains. It reaches optimum development (in terms of
> dominance of
> the forest, not size of biggest tree) in north central MN. I don't
> believe
> what the dendrology text says about red pine taking over white pine
> sites
> and jack pine taking over red pine sites. All three pines can grow
> on sites
> occupied by the other species. Dominance by any given pine species
> depends
> more on seed source and seed bed conditions right after disturbance
> than
> site quality.
>
> Large scale red pine regeneration occurs after extremely intense
> wildfires.
> The seeds from the few surviving trees travel long distances on the
> wind
> across the open landscape after severe fires. This explains the
> occasional
> red pine tree found within other forest types--there is always a small
> chance of a shade intolerant species finding the right spot in a gap
> within
> more mesic forest types. We have a research project on thi in the
> Ham Lake
> fire and other recent fires in northern MN. Currenty, red pine
> regeneration
> is being wiped out in the Lake States by the Diplodia blight in most
> places. The only places with large-scale survival of seedlings is in
> far
> northern MN, where seedlings are hundreds of feet or more away from
> the
> mother tree (adult trees carry the fungus but are not killed by it,
> so they
> infect nearby offspring). It may also be too cold for Diplodia in
> northern
> MN.
>
> I may not be able to contribute further to this discussion until I
> get back
> to MN on Spet. 5. I am visiting the Polish Academy of Sciences
> Institute of
> Dendrology now and have a presentation on Range of natural
> varaiability in
> boreal forests at the European Congress of Conservation Biology in
> Prague
> later this week. E-mail access is intermittent.
>
> Lee
>
>
> On Aug 29 2009, Mike Leonard wrote:
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> The principle range of red pine is supposed to be around the Lake
>> States
>> but perhaps it does better in southern Michigan and Wisconsin?
>> Although
>> in my textbook of dendrology it says that the best development of red
>> pine was made in the upper Great Lakes region. In addition it says:
>> "On
>> light sandy soils too poor for white pine, red pine grew in
>> abundance,
>> and on the better sites was mixed with the former species; occasional
>> trees, often of large size, were found in hardwood mixtures on
>> heavier
>> soils. Following logging and fire, much of the land which had
>> supported
>> red pine became too poor for anything but jack pine, which over large
>> areas established itself as a pioneer tree. In a similar way, red
>> pine
>> occupied former eastern white pine land."
>>
>> Red pine is rather intolerant of shade - more tolerant than jack pine
>> but much less tolerant than white pine.
>> I wonder why you couldn't find the seed trees of the red pine
>> regeneration you noted. Perhaps squirrels carried off some pine
>> cones?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Jost
>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 5:25 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: [ENTS] Re: Mt Tom and red pines
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> My recollection of natural red pine regeneration in far
>> northern Wisconsin and the upper peninsula of Michigan is limited. It
>> tends to be uncommon outside of plantations. It is found on rocky
>> sites, gets established high up on washed out or collapsed river
>> banks,
>> along logging skid paths, along roadsides, and areas susceptible to
>> fire. When I do find red pine regeneration, it is often difficult to
>> find the seed trees. They may end up high on ridges or hills up
>> wind as
>> much as a mile away, depending on topography. I suspect the really
>> distant ones are animal dispersed, primarily by birds.
>>
>> Paul
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Mike Leonard
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Bob,
>> In this area, you almost never see red pine
>> seedling/sapling regeneration. The only places I have seen it under
>> plantations are a few areas where there is just a strip of red pine
>> with
>> a lot of sunlight getting through and there is absolutely no
>> understory
>> competition. Did you note any red pine seedling regeneration on Mt.
>> Tom?
>> What does it take to facilitate red pine regeneration? Fire to kill
>> off
>> the competition and exposing mineral soil? Does native red pine in MA
>> only occur on the poor growing sites like Mt. Tom? While declining
>> red
>> pine plantations should have some silvicultural treatment, native red
>> pine is pretty rare in this state so it's probably a good idea to
>> protect these sites.
>> When I marked a 40 acre lot in Petersham last year I
>> noted 4 pole size red pines (6-12 inches in DBH). Three of the red
>> pines
>> were blown part way over and had grown banana shaped probably from
>> the
>> 1938 hurricane. The fourth one was relatively straight and had a
>> decent
>> crown so I left that and marked the other 3 that were on the way out.
>> Could these have been native red pine or did they seed in from the
>> nearby plantation that's on Harvard Forest land? Well that's about
>> 100
>> yards away so I don't know. I'll have to go back there and try and
>> date
>> those trees now to see if they predate the plantation era (1930's).
>> I like red pine. The bark is extremely attractive but
>> unfortunately red pine is highly susceptible to severe snow and ice
>> damage.
>> Every once in a while I'll see a decent solitary red
>> pine in the middle of a mixed stand and wonder how the heck did this
>> tree get here? Would someone plant a single red pine tree way back
>> when
>> the old farm was abandoned? There are many other anomalies I see in
>> the
>> woods which makes my job interesting!
>> Mike
>> www.northquabbinforestry.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:04 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Cc: Belchetz-Swenson, Sarah; Blaich,
>> Tanya; CAMPANILE, ROBERT; Carr, Robert; Davis, John; Dittmer, Paul;
>> Duke, Carol; Gilmour, Carol; Heller, Sharl; Hurley, Claudia; Kaiser,
>> Amy; Loomis, Rob ; Matteson, Mollie; Ricci, Heidi; Ryan, Mike; Seale,
>> Doug; Stahle, David; Weiss, Nancy; Weil, Phoebe; Zelazo, Timothy;
>> Neil,
>> Rick
>> Subject: [ENTS] Mt Tom and red pines
>> ENTS,
>> Yesterday, Monica and I took a
>> friend for a walk on the Metacomet-Monadnock Trail along the basalt
>> cliffs of Mount Tom in the Connecticut River Valley. Mount Tom is
>> volcanic and is known for its diversity. I will forego the usual
>> deluge
>> of statistics and go right to the hike. The climb up onto the
>> ledges is
>> fairly steep, but worth every ounce of sweat. The great majority of
>> hikers go to the cliff region of Mount Tom for the views. So do I,
>> but
>> also for the vegetation and one species in particular, red pine.
>> Image#1-RdPinesLineUp.jpg: This image
>> shows red pines along the Metacomet-Monadnock Trail. These are the
>> first
>> pines you see when intercepting the Metacomet-Monadnock Trail from
>> the
>> Quarry Trail, which is north of Whiting Peak.
>> Image#2-RedPinesAreBeautiful.jpg: This
>> image looks looks down through a cluster of red pines into the valley
>> below.
>> Image#3-RedPinesAndSnag.jpg: The red
>> pine strip goes for half a mile or more with intermittent pines
>> hugging
>> the basalt ledges. There is a little regeneration.
>> Image#4-Guardians2.jpg: This is another
>> view of the cluster. Very photogenic.
>> In addition to the old red
>> pines, the basalt formation is photogenic. Take red and white pines,
>> basalt ledges, and the valley beyond and Mount Tom becomes a
>> photographer's bonanza.
>> Image#5-BasaltAndValley.jpg: The basalt
>> formations stand in bold relief to the valley and Berkshire Hills
>> beyond.
>> Image#6-BasaltAndValley2.jpg: This image
>> shows the surface structure of the basalt.
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>>
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