Gary,

This is certainly a worthwhile discussion.  Of late I have become preoccupied 
with the remnants of forest at the small end of the scale.  As a couple of 
general propositions I would suggest the size required to be an autopoietic 
forest as you have defined it would vary from forest type to forest type and it 
would also vary depending on the type of direct or indirect human impact it is 
facing.  If for example a viable option could be discovered to practically 
inhibit the HWA to a mere nuisance status, in a hemlock dominated forest I 
would favor treatment no matter what the size of the forest.  Because the scale 
of the impact of the organism is that of a broad geographic landscape, rather 
than on the scale of an individual forest.

The effects of human impacts, direct and indirect, encompass a broad range of 
characteristics.  They affect the functioning of a forest in many different 
ways.  In broad general terms the smaller the forest segment, the greater or 
faster these impacts affect the integrity of the system.  If the goal is to 
achieve a forest that falls on the trajectory for that forest type, then the 
smaller the forest the more aggressive the measures needed to maintain the 
forest along that path.  At the smallest scale parcels, not only must the 
forest be managed to mitigate human impacts and edge effects, but elements may 
need to be replaced that are lost by circumstance.  In a larger system 
replacements may come from elsewhere in the forest, while many smaller pockets 
are isolated from any natural replacement sources.

As I said this is just a general concept, and I am sure many exceptions and 
arguments could be made where it would not apply, but it serves as starting 
point for consideration (for me at least.)

Ed Frank

"Oh, I call myself a scientist.  I wear a white coat and probe a monkey every 
now and then, but if I put monetary gain ahead of preserving nature...I 
couldn't live with myself." - Professor Hubert Farnsworth
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  From: Gary A. Beluzo 
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  Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 9:23 PM
  Subject: [ENTS] Re: New paper on wilderness management and climate change


  Don: 


  I think this topic deserves a full discussion.  In a large enough landscape 
where forests have enough interiority to resist anthropogenic fire, pests, and 
disease,  I would say yes, PRESERVATION only. In our small fragmented natural 
forests of the East it becomes a dilemma.  I would ask these questions:


  How large does a forest (for a particular forest type let's say OAK-HICKORY) 
need to be in in the East to be "autopoietic"?  And what about edge/interior 
ratio? I define an AUTOPOIETIC FOREST as a forest that has the degree of 
naturalness (habitat and niche complexity) to continue moving along natural 
trajectories for the forest type.  


  What kind of management would be required in other forests with a larger 
edge/interior ratio and degree of naturalness to maintain current natural 
trajectories? In other words, if a minimum size for an autopoietic forest is 
5,000 acres then what would need to be done to maintain a forest in its current 
trajectory if the acreage is 2,500, 1,000, 500 etc.  This is an interesting 
question and one which I am sure some folks on this list would have an opinion. 
 This will become increasingly more important in the future as more and more 
existing forest becomes fragmented and invaded by anthropogenic disturbances.


  Gary A. Beluzo
  Professor of Environmental Science
  Division of Science, Engineering, and Mathematics
  Holyoke Community College
  303 Homestead Avenue
"Oh, I call myself a scientist.  I wear a white coat and probe a monkey every 
now and then, but if I put monetary gain ahead of preserving nature...I 
couldn't live with myself." - Professor Hubert Farnsworth
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