Gary I'll be thinking about this over the next couple of travel days...and get back to my desktop...I'm feeling a little constrained with my iPhone , on this large of discussion..:-) Don
Sent from Don's iPhone 3GS... On Oct 24, 2009, at 6:23 PM, "Gary A. Beluzo" <[email protected]> wrote: > Don: > > I think this topic deserves a full discussion. In a large enough > landscape where forests have enough interiority to resist > anthropogenic fire, pests, and disease, I would say yes, > PRESERVATION only. In our small fragmented natural forests of the > East it becomes a dilemna. I would ask these questions: > > How large does a forest (for a particular forest type let's say OAK- > HICKORY) need to be in in the East to be "autopoietic"? And what > about edge/interior ratio? I define an AUTOPOIETIC FOREST as a > forest that has the degree of naturalness (habitat and niche > complexity) to continue moving along natural trajectories for the > forest type. > > What kind of management would be required in other forests with a > larger edge/interior ratio and degree of naturalness to maintain > current natural trajectories? In other words, if a minimum size for > an autopoietic forest is 5,000 acres then what would need to be done > to maintain a forest in its current trajectory if the acreage is > 2,500, 1,000, 500 etc. This is an interesting question and one > which I am sure some folks on this list would have an opinion. This > will become increasingly more important in the future as more and > more existing forest becomes fragmented and invaded by anthropogenic > disturbances. > > Gary A. Beluzo > Professor of Environmental Science > Division of Science, Engineering, and Mathematics > Holyoke Community College > 303 Homestead Avenue > Holyoke, MA 01040 > > [email protected] > 413 552-2445 > > > > > On Oct 24, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Don Bertolette wrote: > >> Gary- >> Absolute preservation? No stopping wildfires, pestilence, >> pathogens, natural or otherwise? >> >> >> Sent from Don's iPhone 3GS... >> >> On Oct 24, 2009, at 6:46 AM, Gary A Beluzo <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> And would the legal protection be against development AND >>> management? I am beginning to develop a John Muir attitude that we >>> have denigrated so much landscape that the tiny measley scraps >>> remaining deserve absolute preservation before those are >>> rationalized away by insouciant and ignorant bureaucraps. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> Prof. Gary A. Beluzo >>> Systems Ecologist >>> Holyoke Comm College >>> 303 Homestead Ave >>> Holyoke, MA. 01040 >>> >>> >>> On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Joseph Zorzin <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Right- well, some of us involved with the "vision process" for >>>> the state have said the reserves must be protected by law- >>>> regardless of what you call them. The debate as to how much >>>> ranges from the current 20% to 100%. >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Gary A Beluzo >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 5:31 PM >>>> Subject: [ENTS] Re: New paper on wilderness management and >>>> climate change >>>> >>>> >>>> Lee and Joe, >>>> >>>> I hate to keep repeating this cry but why is the state NOT >>>> considerIng >>>> any PRESERVES and duping the public with RESERVES? Seems like there >>>> should be some land that is preserved as a "control" for all future >>>> forestry experiments. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> Prof. Gary A. Beluzo >>>> Systems Ecologist >>>> Holyoke Comm College >>>> 303 Homestead Ave >>>> Holyoke, MA. 01040 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Lee Frelich <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> > Joe: >>>> > >>>> > Yes, more reserved forest will help mitigate climate change >>>> because >>>> > forest that is not harvested will sequester and store more >>>> carbon. >>>> > >>>> > Reserved forest provides the only opportunity to observe how >>>> forests >>>> > respond to climate change by itself, with a lower level of >>>> multiple >>>> > stresses (of which harvesting would be one). >>>> > >>>> > They also are the controls for the long term experiment we are >>>> > conducting by harvesting the forest. Forests did not evolve to >>>> > produce >>>> > commercial products, and it has not been proven that harvest >>>> can be >>>> > sustainable, or if so can, at what level. >>>> > >>>> > Reserved forests are more likely to end up having multi-age >>>> structure, >>>> > which is more resilient to most types of change and disturbance. >>>> > >>>> > Lee >>>> > >>>> > Joseph Zorzin wrote: >>>> >> Lee, I'm printing out that now- it's on the site. But, though I >>>> >> haven't yet read it I have a question for you. >>>> >> >>>> >> Here in Mass. we're debating what percentage of the state's >>>> roughly >>>> >> half million acres of state forest land should be in reserves. >>>> There >>>> >> of course many different arguments pro and con for different >>>> amounts. >>>> >> >>>> >> But focusing in on your research: do you believe that holding >>>> more >>>> >> rather than less acreage in reserves is a way of mitigating >>>> the long >>>> >> term effects on the forests from climate change? >>>> >> >>>> >> If you have time to reply- please "reply to all". >>>> >> >>>> >> Joe >>>> >> >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> *From:* Lee Frelich <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected] >>>> >> > >>>> >> *Sent:* Friday, October 23, 2009 11:27 AM >>>> >> *Subject:* [ENTS] New paper on wilderness management and >>>> climate >>>> >> change >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ENTS: >>>> >> >>>> >> The last of my three papers on climate change to be >>>> published this >>>> >> year >>>> >> came out yesterday: >>>> >> >>>> >> Frelich, L.E. and P.B. Reich. 2009. Wilderness conservation >>>> in an >>>> >> era of >>>> >> global warming and invasive species: a case study from >>>> Minnesot >>>> >> a’s >>>> >> Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness. /Natural Areas >>>> Journal/ 29: >>>> >> 385-393. >>>> >> >>>> >> We should have a pdf on the website later today: >>>> >> http://forestecology.cfans.umn.edu/publications.html >>>> >> >>>> >> Lee >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
