Barry,
You are right. Pin oaks belong in the black oak group. For the most part if the 
leaf of the oak has at least one bristle on it then it is in the black oak 
group. Now I know that there is an exception to the rule as there always is but 
I can't think of one at the moment. 
Beth

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On Nov 12, 2009, at 15:10, Barry Caselli <[email protected]> wrote:

I thought Pin Oak was in the Black Oak Group, not the White Oak Group. From 
what I've seen, the leaves resemble those of Black or Scarlet, but with more 
"lobes" on each side than either of those species. I don't have any in my 
collection, or I'd show the leaves I'm referring to, although I'm pretty sure 
I've seen the leaves in Egg Harbor City recently.

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [ENTS] Re: Two nice Pin Oaks, Bay Village, Ohio
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 5:42 PM

Steve,
Splendid pictures of attractive pin oaks. Pins are very common in the 
Connecticut River Valley. I see many that are between 8 and 11 feet in girth 
and 85 to 105 feet tall. An occasional pin oak reaches to 13 to 14 feet around. 
An equally small population reaches to 110 feet in height. The pin oak seemed 
to have been a preferred shade tree along the streets of many northeastern 
cities.

Today I photographed an oak in Look Park. The first three attached images show 
the trunk. The last two images show leaves from the same tree. What are the 
choices? The tree actually looks like a combination of swamp white oak, swamp 
chestnut oak, bur oak, and white oak. The tree looks to be fairly old. It grows 
close to a native woodland, but appears to be planted. 

Bob

 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Galehouse" <[email protected]>
To: "ENTS" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2009 6:23:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [ENTS] Two nice Pin Oaks, Bay Village, Ohio

ENTS-

Pin oaks are the most common oak in my area, but they seem to be relatively 
uncommon in much of the East. For those that only know the tree as a young, 
rigidly pyramidal landscape specimen, I thought I would show some pics of how 
they mature. The tree on the left is 101' x 12'7'', the right one is 89' x 
13'3''. Lake Erie visible in baackground.

Steve



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