Andrew, Many of the Tsuga Search superlative hemlocks were on steep slopes, but were generally in a sheltered position deep in a cove. I suspect the slopes impose an added incentive to grow tall, as even shorter species or individuals upslope will effectively out-compete trees lower down just by the difference in slope position. On north slopes -like those shown to be the preferred super-hemlock habitat- the incentive would be even more pronounced to gain sun exposure.
Will F. Blozan President, Eastern Native Tree Society President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc. "No sympathy for apathy" -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Joslin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENTS] Meet the Neil Pederson Pine Definitely, that thought occurred to me. There does seem to be some correlation to greater height potential on slopes, don't know how much it's been explored. My understanding is that Hyperion (Coast Redwood) the current world height champ is a relatively young tree (as redwoods go) on a steep slope. Compare that to older not quite as tall Coast Redwood more in the river bottoms. It could be an aberration with no relationship to location ie: slope vs. low flats. Your theory is a good bet in Dunbar though. -AJ DON BERTOLETTE wrote: > Andrew- > Taking a page from A Sand County Almanac, where Aldo admonishes us to > "think like a mountain", if we were to think like a logger a century > or two ago, we'd be thinking about a winter logging operation, going > into a valley where we could, and plucking out a hickory or an > oak, depending on what species the market was seeking, and pulling it > out by horse or mule, or oxen on a sled. The technology for getting > trees further up the slopes was yet to come... > -Don > > > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:23:16 -0500 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [ENTS] Meet the Neil Pederson Pine > > > > It's so interesting that the tallest Dunbar Brook pines are up on the > > slopes and not in the bottom along the creek. I would've thought it > > would be the other way around. Perhaps there is a sweet spot between > > being too high on the slope and suffering wind damage but still being > > high enough to get more sunlight as opposed to the pines in shadow down > > in the bottom by the brook. Thoreau and Grandfather pines might be > > demonstrating that principle, both on the slope, the Grandfather higher > > up, the upper crown is more sparse (limb break out) and not as tall as > > Thoreau despite appearing to have equivalent age or maybe even being an > > older tree than Thoreau. > > > > Something else to consider is that we're only looking at a 100+ year > > cycle, it may be that the pines in the bottom of the cove are > turtles in > > the race, if they keep going for another 100 years undisturbed maybe > > some become the mythical plus 200 ft. trees, while the Thoreaus and the > > Grandfather pines max out due to greater exposure to extreme wind > events > > over time up on the slope > > -Andrew > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > ENTS, > > > > > > Yesterday Monica and I went to Monroe State Forest on a specific > > > mission. On a couple of previous trips, about 15 minutes up the trail > > > from the trailhead, I had observed a white pine high on the south > > > facing slopes across Dunbar Brook. Most of the year, the pine cannot > > > be seen. The forest in the foreground is dense, the brook below the > > > trail is mesmerizing, and one must watch one's footing. Consequently, > > > the pine is obscured from sight most of the year. When we were in > > > Monroe State Forest on Monday, I happened to look across the brook at > > > just the right spot and realized that I needed to see this pine up > > > close and personal. Around 9:00AM yesterday, I sheepishly approached > > > Monica about tracking down the pine as the day's mission. Although > she > > > needed to practice for upcoming concerts, being the perfect wife, she > > > relented and off we went. > > > > > > To cut to the chase, the pine is on the south facing ridges of Dunbar > > > Brook. Sheep pasturing was an economic mainstay of that location in > > > the more distant past, and more recently, the area experienced > > > logging. The ridge is recovering from those past activities and to an > > > extent and shows promise, but compared to the north-facing slopes is > > > not inspiring. On the slopes, the white ashes reach to between 100 > > > and 110 feet. The sugar maples reach to between 90 and 100. White > > > birches reach to 85 feet at most. The only tall trees are close to > > > Dunbar Brook. The hardwoods on the slopes are nothing to get excited > > > about. But then there are the pines. They too are on the short side. > > > Almost all are between 115 and 125 feet. Only two brush 130 feet. > Then > > > there is the mystery pine. > > > > > > Upon reaching the tree, it revealed itself to be modest in size. Its > > > girth is 9.9 feet, exactly matching another pine farther down the > > > slopes. IBut several other pines are larger, including one that is > > > 11.7 feet in girth. It did look pretty tall. I finally settled on > > > 144.1 feet. That is significant. It becomes the 5th tallest tree in > > > the Dunbar watershed and the northern most 140 in Massachusetts. Its > > > trunk volume is approximately 400 cubic feet. I thought to myself, > > > "this fine tree deserves a name." My Kentucky friend Dr. Neil > Pederson > > > came to mind and so it was. It became the Pederson Pine. > > > > > > The first two of the attached images show Neil's pine. The first shot > > > is up close with Monica in the image for scale. The second is through > > > the peep hole on the other side of Dunbar Brook. Neil's pine is the > > > one with dark green foliage. The 3rd image is of a handsome pine > lower > > > on the ridge. - a 129.5-footer. > > > > > > The confirmation of the Pederson Pine rekindled my memory of the > > > mission that Jack Sobon and I undertook years ago to locate and > > > measure all 140-foot white pines in Massachusetts. 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