Ed, 

Well, I surely regret that I've given such an undesirable impression. What I 
was attempting to show were the results that follow from making certain 
defensible assumptions, at least defensible on the surface. I'm not saying any 
particular result is absolutely the right one, just showing patterns, asking 
questions, and stating preferences based on my experience with the equipment. 
I've tested the Nikon 440 enough to know the patterns it gives. But I don't 
always factor them in because I don't have input coming from an independent 
source, such as a tape drop. On any given measurement, I can't be sure of 
whether to leave a distance alone or reduce it by 0.5 yards. However, examining 
the patterns can point to a choice. 


I suppose the number I would have like to have settled on is 158.2 feet - the 
high. But, I am obviously not doing that. The actual height of Thoreau most 
likely falls between 156.0 and 157.0 feet - if the laser returns are from the 
top most twig. The safest course to avoid a number that is too high is to 
adjust the top distance readings by reducing each by 0.5 yards. I can make a 
good case for leaving the bottom distances alone. If I follow this strategy for 
the set of measurements taken and average the results, I get 156.7 feet. From 
how my Prostaff 440 laser behaves on bright versus not bright targets, and 
bright versus non-bright backgrounds, this is a defensible course, whatever the 
result. It happens to be 156.7. I wish it were 158.2, but can't accept that 
value. 


So, why go through the process at all? Because, Andrew's tape drop added an 
additional piece of information that steered me away from the high end 
measurements. 


Bob 








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Frank" <[email protected]> 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2009 2:15:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [ENTS] Settling the issue on Thoreau 


Bob, 

You can't pick and choose among the various measurements you get for a tree to 
generate a number you want to achieve. There needs to be a consistent criteria 
for accepting or rejecting certain numbers if you feel they are invalid and if 
they meet the rejection criteria. Juggling the laser numbers to match the 
results of a tape drop doesn't count. I realize you are not trying to 
manipulate the measurement data, but that is what you are effectively doing in 
this situation. The data is what it is, and should not be arbitrarily prettied 
up to make it better. That is certainly the impression anyone reading these 
posts will get. 

Ed 

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