Turner- I only know Shumard oak as an ornamental, but the reputation of pin oak as a poor pruner, I feel, is undeserved---they hang on to dead lower branches as "middle-aged" trees, but once they reach about 3' in diameter, they become clean boled, much like a red oak but with finer textured branching. Scarlet oak the same, but since they are usually found in drier, more rigorous locations, less often seen as clean trunked as pin oak.
Steve On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:37 PM, turner <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Jess and Doug: > I still have not found any Shumard. But I have another question. How > is the Shumard for self pruning?. I know from experience that Scarlet > and Pin Oaks are poor self pruners. > TS > > On Dec 8, 9:12 pm, doug bidlack <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jess, > > > > I'm glad you tackled this. I'm also trying to learn more about Shumard > oak and my experience with it is extremely limited. I've seen it in > southern Illinois, southern Indiana and on Belle Isle in the Detroit river > in Michigan. On Belle Isle there were two other Red Oaks present; pin oak > and northern red oak. The pin oaks seemed to be in the more poorly drained > soils and the northern red oaks were on the more well drained soils...So the > Shumard oaks were kinda inbetween the two. This seems to agree with what > you were saying about the site preference for Shumard oaks within > floodplains. > > > > I've attached a couple pictures of a pin oak (first two) and then a > couple of a Shumard oak on Belle Isle. Bark down near the ground looks > quite similar for both species...to me at least. > > > > Doug > > > > --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Jess Riddle <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > From: Jess Riddle <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [ENTS] Shumard Oak- Help! > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 5:17 PM > > > Turner, > > > > > I haven't seen shumard oak in a few years, so I was hoping > > > someone > > > else would jump in, but here goes. Shumard oak often > > > has light > > > colored vertical streaks and dark furrows in the bark much > > > like > > > northern red oak or scarlet oak. On bottomland sites, > > > they have a > > > very open, spreading crown structure similar to cherrybark > > > oak, but > > > not quite as pronounced. On bottomlands they also > > > have well developed > > > buttresses. Leaves may still be helpful; if I > > > remember correctly, > > > they are generally similar to pin oak or scarlet oak, but > > > are larger > > > and have more bristle tips. They grow best in > > > relatively well drained > > > portions of floodplains and may associate with species like > > > cherrybark > > > oak and sweetgum. Shumard oak also grows on thin > > > soiled limestone > > > slopes, and occasionally other calcareous uplands. > > > > > Jess > > > > > > > > P1.jpg > > 590KViewDownload > > > > P2.jpg > > 608KViewDownload > > > > Sc1.jpg > > 563KViewDownload > > > > Sc2.jpg > > 543KViewDownload > > -- > Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org > Send email to [email protected] > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en > To unsubscribe send email to > [email protected]<entstrees%[email protected]> > -- Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected]
