Mystery plant is a Leatherleaf mahonia (Mahonia bealei); a common ornamental 
that is beginning to work its way up the exotic invasive list in throughout the 
Southeast.

Steve Springer
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From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
James Parton [[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:35 AM
To: ENTS
Subject: [ENTS] The Ramble Grove_Asheville NC

ENTS,

Today I finally got back to do some measuring of a nice White Pine grove that I 
found while on another hike back in January 2009. The grove is located between 
the Blue Ridge Parkway and Hendersonville Rd ( Hwy 25 ) near where the parkway 
crosses over 25. I call it the Ramble Grove because of the nearby Ramble 
housing development located nearby.

 
http://www.nativetreesociety.org/fieldtrips/north_carolina/20090125-blueridgeparkway/mountainstosea_trail.htm

The grove is dominated by Eastern White Pine but also contains Tuliptree and 
Pitch Pine with American Holly as an understory tree. A few oaks and shortleaf 
pines are found here too, especially near the borders of the grove. Large 
Poison Ivy vines also climb to great heights into the trees. I found one huge 
vine that was two feet in circumference! Why do some forests have large Poison 
Ivy vines while others lack Poison Ivy all together? Poison Ivy seems rare in 
most older growth forests I visit while it seems more common in younger 
forests. Especially near populated areas. Does anyone know why?  I would guess 
this grove to be young judging by the trees youthful appearance and many branch 
stubs on the trunks of the pines. I would guess the grove at 60-80 years old.

The tallest tree found today was a respectable White Pine that was 143..2 feet 
tall and 6' 3" in girth. Tall and slim. The largest overall was a Tuliptree 
that was 138.3 feet tall and 8' 9" in girth.

Also a hollylike plant was found in the forest that I believe is an invasive 
species. Can anyone identify this " mystery holly " for me? I have seen it as 
an ornamental in people's yards. I think my dad has one.. I don't think it is a 
true ilex.

Here are todays measurements

                                        cbh              Height

White Pine                        6' 3"             130.3'

White Pine                        8' 0"             122.6'

White Pine                        6' 2"             136.5'

Tuliptree                           8' 9"              138.3'

White Pine                       6' 3"              143.2' !

Pitch Pine                        5' 6"               114.3' !


It was a good day but my hands were about frozen when I got out of the woods!


James Parton



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