Dan, 

Thanks for this extremely useful information. I was appalled to learn that t he 
Trust for Historic Preservation wanted to cut down what is now the Landmark 
Forest. What on earth was in their heads? 


Any way, I'm hoping to return to Montpelier in April. Hopefully, Will can come 
up from Black Mountain. Might you be able to join us? 


Bob 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ranger dan" <[email protected]> 
To: "ENTSTrees" <[email protected]> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2010 4:04:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [ENTS] Re: Montpelier in images 

ENTS, Glad to see some exposure about the Montpeilier forest. In the early 
1980's, Dave Tice was a consultant for the timber management to be done on the 
farm. I spoke with him before his death about the forest, which he said showed 
no evidence of timber harvest since the time of James Madison. The Trust for 
Historic Preservation at the time wanted to cut down the 200-acre area now set 
aside as the Landmark Forest, but thanks to his recognition of this area as 
special, and with help from the Nature Conservancy, it is now saved. 
Unfortunately, there was much more forest like this that was destroyed 
following my first visit. There are remnant trees worthy of note outside the 
200-acre preserve, for those of you wanting to explore: From the trailhead into 
the forest, to the right, across the field and across a gravel road, at the 
foot of Chicken Mountain, is a row of huge tuliptrees along what used to be the 
edge of the woods. Far to the left of the trailhead, across a field and fences, 
there is a row of fine tuliptrees at the edge of the woods. This is a buffer 
that was left after logging in the 1980's destroyed a forest "as significant as 
the Landmark Forest", according to an employee of the estate. I never saw it, 
but there is some mature forest remaining behind this row of ancient trees. 
Probably the finest stand of trees on the estate is not far to the left of the 
trailhead, off-trail and near the edge of the forest. Near here is a giant 
forest-grown white oak, probably the largest I have ever seen. When I first saw 
it, it was marked with blue paint (to cut). I expressed my alarm to Tice, who 
may have been responsible for having this area spared. It was still standing at 
my last visit a few years ago, close to 5'dbh. For big trees, Montpelier is 
probably the finest remaining example of old-growth forest in the entire 
Piedmont region, and beyond. Dan Miles On Jan 1, 9:12 pm, [email protected] 
wrote: > ENTS, > > I just finished downloading images from Montpelier. I didn't 
take many photos, but did manage to capture a little of the place. Descriptions 
of 6 images follow. I'll later send another email with a few more images. > > 
DESCRIPTIONS > > Montpelier.jpg: This is the front of the James Madison home. 
Montpelier is where our Constitution was drafted. The Madison property covers 
2,650 acres. The Landmark forest covers about 200. > > MontpelierLawn.jpg: This 
image looks west toward the Blue Ridge from the front of Montpelier. The field 
you see in the foreground was once a tobacco field. The Skyline Drive runs 
along the crest of the Blue Ridge on the horizon. > > MonicaAndTulip.jpg: This 
is an image of one of many large tuliptrees you see in the Landmark Forest, as 
it is called. It was freaking cold throughout the period and I didn't document 
the trees nearly as well as I otherwise would have. Oh well, I guess Monica and 
I will have to return. > > Tulipartistry.jpg: This image looks into the crowns 
of 150+ foot tuliptrees. There are many tuliptrees with girths between 12 and 
15 feet. The largest I measured was an open-grown specimen that measured 17.4 
feet around. It was about 120 feet tall. > > IntoTheCrowns.jpg: This is perhaps 
a better shot into the crowns of these very tall, picturesque trees. At 
Montpelier, the lordly Tuliptree reins unchallenged. ENTS needs to document the 
groves much better. I hope to start the process more formally when I contact 
the chief horticulturist. > > JamesMadisonTree-1.jpg: The James Madison tree is 
the one in the center. After a fierce struggle, we subdued this great tree and 
confirmed its height at 166.1 feet. It is a most respectable 13.8-foot around. 
I am not sure I found the top of the tree. I am reasonably sure that the 166.1 
spot is within +/- 0.5 feet. Three measurements produced 166.1, 166.1, and 
166.5. There are three 160-footers fairly close together, of which the Madison 
tree is the tallest. The other two are each around 161 feet tall. One is 14.8 
feet around and the other 14.0 feet. Over the entire property, I suspect that 
there are seven or possibly even eight 160-footers and probably twenty to 
twenty-four 150-footers. > > Bob > > Montpelier.jpg > 396KViewDownload > > 
MontpelierLawn.jpg > 268KViewDownload > > MonicaAndTulip.jpg > 619KViewDownload 
> > Tuliprtistry.jpg > 714KViewDownload > > IntoTheCrowns.jpg > 
702KViewDownload > > JamesMadisonTree-1.jpg > 854KViewDownload 
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