Gaines, 

Growing up in the southern Appalachians, red spruce was the spruce of my youth. 
It grows here in Massachusetts at elevations starting at about 1,500 feet. It 
competes with balsam fir at the highest elevations. I never thought much about 
it as an ornamental. Its physical features in the old growth areas are 
especially pleasing to me. The old growth form is obviously unacceptable as an 
ornamental profile. 


Bob 

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From: "Gaines McMartin" <[email protected]> 
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Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:20:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [ENTS] Re: Honorary native tree--a possibility?: Norway spruce 

Steve and Bob: 

I have red spruce growing on my timberland in the mountains of 
western MD. On the higher mountains in West Virginia, red spruce 
grows forming what local people call "balds." These high mountain top 
red spruce forests can be very dense. 

On my timberland they grow mixed with hardwoods and hemlock. I 
have some fine old ones over 2 feet in diameter and 80 or maybe 90 
feet tall. Beautiful trees. 

One problem is there is some kind of needle cast disease that 
causes the lower limbs to die. In the past they were often dug up 
from the woods in the area and planted around houses. They did very 
well, but the old NS planted at about the same time are much larger, 
and often more beautiful. One of the good things about NS it that 
they will keep their lower limbs, if they are not in dense shade, as 
long as the tree lives. Also, the red spruce planted as ornamentals 
around houses in the mountains of western MD have a problem with 
sticky sap exuding from the trunks. If you have children, they need 
to be taught to stay away from these trees. 

At the Virginia Arboretum they have planted a few red spruce 
recently. I will watch how they do, but I am not optimistic. 

These trees may do better further north in Mass or maine. 

--Gaines Mcmartin 
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