mbak dua-duanya sekitar bogor dan sukabumi...
Nuri Soeharto wrote:
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> Rekan-rekan, mohon bantuannya sekali lagi (dan mungkin akan lagi dan terus
> lagi.. hehe). Adakah di antara rekan-rekan yang mengetahui di mana lokasi yang
> sedang dicari teman saya ini? Dia bicara tentang Taman Nasional Gunung Halimun
> dan Gede Pangrango. Apakah yang dia cari ini ada di sana? Siapa yang bisa saya
> kontak untuk masalah ini? Maaf sekali karena saya betul-betul bodoh dalam
> permasalahan botani begini. Mungkin Kebun Raya Bogor?
>
> Oya, dia mengacu pada tanaman-tanaman fosil di daerah Messel Lake - Jerman.
>
> Terima kasih banyak.
>
> Nuri,-
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> The Messel can be defined as being a paratropical rainforest site i.e. a warm
> moist rainforest that contains evergreen large leafed representatives of laurel,
> icacina, mastixiaceae, moon seed, tea, palms and sterculiaceae. It was not a
> true tropical rainforest because it did not have typical rainforest trees and it
> had many deciduous trees such as walnut, betulaceae (Birch), hamamelidaceae
> (which hazel) and platanaceae (plane tree). The forest was particularly species
> rich.
>
> So Nuri, is there any places in Java like I picture below...
>
> 1. Forest areas which do not have much undergrowth where ideally the main
> trees/plants are laurel, cinnamon, avocado pear, ferns and some palm trees but
> most importantly there should be some grape vines.
>
> 2. A lake which ideally has lilies growing in it. A lake with steep bank sides
> in many places but enough shallow areas to accommodate lilies and reeds. Just
> behind these shallow areas there would have been swamp and boggy areas. These
> would have had ferns, sedges, swamp cypress etc. Behind the swamp there would
> have been a shrub area which included screw pine which merged with the forest
> slopes of laurel, walnut, tea and pea families. These trees would have been
> rainforest trees and as the slopes got higher the forest would have opened out
> and one would have seen some beach trees. In the rainforest lianas and creepers
> would have played a major role i.e. this is where we would have found the grape
> creepers. In areas were the lake had steep banks the forest with thick bushes
> would have come right up to the edge of the lake and been very dense. Swamp
> cypress did not exist at the lakes edge.
>
> Plant list:
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> 1/ Lilies - A lake with lilies. The most ideal species will be an
> indo-Malaysian species Barclaya. The sexual parts of the Messel waterlily do
> not exist today but these waterlilies were a primitive member of the nymphaea
> family.
>
> 2/ Reeds and sedges - These are grass-like but not grasses.
>
> 3/ Ferns - There was probably a few species of tree ferns but mostly the ferns
> were of normal height. There are no S E Asian species found today. See salt
> ferns (acrostichum) and royal ferns, (osmunda).
>
> 4/ Arum and calla - The plants that you might know as the indoor plants i.e.
> the ones which have a big single waxy 'flower' petal in either red or white with
> a large thick yellow stamen. Some species of the family are also lianas or
> epiphytes ( i.e. they live high off the ground in the crooks of tree branches).
> They name only one species epipremnum.
>
> 5/ Trees :
> a/ Asian swamp cypresses especially Japanese Umbrella pine and the Chinese water
> pine.
> b/ Royal palm and betel palm - found in East Asia Also rattan palms and sago
> palms - Indo-Malaysia
> c/ Laurel family - this was an abundant and species rich tree in the Messel. Key
> species include cinnamon, camphor and avocado pear.
> d/ Walnut family - there are three main genera, juglans (true walnut),
> Platycara and Engelhardia. Engelhardia and platycara are the only genera
> found in Asia.
> e/ Various species of pea family. The one specie I am clear on is dogbane -
> apocynaceae
> f/ Dogwood - The scientists suspect that mastixiaceae family formed an
> important part of the tree species. This plant is related to the dogwood -
> mostly found in Malaysia.
>
> 6/Creepers/lianas :
> a/ Grape family - 4 main Messel species all of which can be found in S E Asia.
> This is an important group of plants found in the Messel. Vitus - i.e. European
> grape or cissus, Tetrastigma and Ampelopsi
> b/ Moon seed family/ menispermaceae - These have large leaves and they have
> moon or horse shoe shaped seed pods. Look for Tinospora found in Asia.
>
> 7/ Bushes :
> a/ Tea family - the camellia is a member of this family. However the closest
> extant genera is in S E Asia and it is the polyspora. These have lovely
> flowers so you should look out for them.
> b/ citrus - This genera plays only a moderate role in the Messel. Look for
> Toddalia which is a climbing bush and only found in S E Asia.
> c/ icacina family - This was an abundant family in the Messel. Look for
> stemonurus which comes from Malaysia. Icacina include the yam genera.
>
> 8/ Other plants Here are some interesting plants which existed in the Messel
> but not abundantly - magnolia, plum yew, anise, lime, elm, silk cotton,
> mulberry, willow, heather, rose, myrtle, mistletoe, maple, cashew, ivy, olive
> and honeysuckle.
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