On 21 Jan 01 at 7:37, CP Henshaw wrote:
> I have been a s_u_b_s_c_r_i_b_e_r to this list, on and off, for a couple of
> years (on and off, because I travel and don't need 1,000s of emails from
> various lists when I am on the move!). However, I find many of the post
> threads extremely interesting and informative and read the list when time
> permits. I also use the archives on occasions.
>
> I have many times wanted to post to the EOS list, but am usually frustrated
> by the lack of instructions for performing same.
>
> Maybe I am too old to learn new tricks (although I have worked in the
> ever-changing computer industry for the last 35 years and make constant use
> of the internet) but whenever I want to post to the list, I inevitably fail.
>
> There are no obviously accessible instructions which scream out "How to Post
> to the EOS List".
I hate screaming instructions....they suggest dumb list
members....;))
> Typically, I do something similar to the following:
>
> 1. Examine a list posting for a reference URL that will give me
> instructions regarding the correct procedure to post to the EOS list.
>
> 2. I find the "List Instructions" URL provided at the bottom of every EOS
> posting and click! There is nothing on this page that informs me of the
> email address for new postings.
>
> 3. OK, use the link to the "main page" provided at the bottom of the this
> page: now I end up at the WJM site main page which doesn't seem to help me.
>
> 4. I then dig up my original subscription information (I retain copies of
> all my subscription email in a folder), and locate the "Welcome to eos-mail"
> email.
>
> 5. I search the email for posting instructions, but cannot find any.
I can....below the intro/welcome message:
xxxxxxxXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXxxxxxxx
Dear (new) S_ubscriber,
Welcome to the Canon EOS Mailinglist.
Please read the following instructions carefully (ALL OF THEM!), and
store it in your archive at least *once*, not reading and storing it
is sufficient ground for spanking!....;-))
You just have s_ubscribed to either
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(all list messages are send to you directly after they come in, one by one)
or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(several list messages are collected in one single email message, send out
to you at least once a day (unless there is no mail at all of course).
- To switch from Real Time to Digest vice versa, you must uns_ubscribe
from the old one and s_ubscribe to the new one, in other words send:
1)
UNS_UBSCRIBE EOS
to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
and
2)
S_UBSCRIBE EOS-DIGEST
to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(or vice versa)
- Mail:
All MAIL to the list should be sent to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Help:
For help on all other administrative matters, send
HELP
in the body of the message to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
If you are new to this mailinglist (or mailinglists in general), I strongly
advise you to read the EOS List-FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) first. You can
find this FAQ on:
http://members.home.net/jul.loke/faq.html
[ Please note the correct spelling of 'a1.nl' in all adresses: it is
'a-one' & 'en-el' ! ]
Thanks for your contributions, now and in future!
Your listowner,
Willem-Jan Markerink
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or
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 6. I then go to the FAQ URL (http://members.home.net/jul.loke/faq.html), a
> URL that I have saved from previous searches - it was not in the
> subscription email that I received.
It was.
> 7. I then browse the FAQ looking for posting instructions. Nothing obvious.
> The Table of Contents does not appear to list a relevant heading! I find
> headings such as "What Can I Post" and "What not to Post" but not "How to
> Post"! Neither searches nor lengthy browses turn up the magic instructions.
>
> Frustration has normally set in by this time, and I go on to do other
> things.
>
> However, sometimes I go on to search the older FAQ's. In one of these, the
> "Definitions" section informs me that I can post to the list using the
> address:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Why is this not in the latest FAQ? And, is it correct? Apparently not -- my
> attempt to use this URL generated a bounce message.
Hmm....at least [EMAIL PROTECTED] should result in a
straight forward....
> Some of you may be thinking "How dumb, why didn't he just use the URL
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" which is the "To:" address on every posting?"
>
> Simple! I do not know the list system. If this address is used in some list
> systems, everyone, including digest recipients and others, get sprayed with
> my email. I prefer to do the right thing and ensure that I use the correct
> address.
The 'Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' in the same header should give a) you a
hint, and b) your mailclient clear instructions what to do when you
hit 'reply'....
> Then, I happened to open one of my earlier subscription welcome emails
> titled "Welcome to EOS". It contained the words:
> Mail:
> All MAIL to the list should be sent to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Maybe this means that to post to the list, I should use the above email
> address. It is not clear, but it is worth a try . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> . . .
>
> Oh no! Bounced again. Let's check. Correct email address? OK. Text format?
> OK. Baka deshoo, I have used a form of the word "s_u_b_s_c_r_i_b_e" in this
> message. Let's go!
Eliminates a good deal of admin mails inadvertently sent to the list
(plus the inevitable reactions from others, ranging from silly to
helpful (in 10-fold) to grumpy)
> Bounced again! OK ------ Maybe I shouldn't include email address of the lail
> list in the message?!?!?! Let's insert underscores to eliminate that
> possibility.
Wrong, you can include the address itself.
The only thing you can't include is the admin footer.
It's by far the most effective way to ban both sloppy quoting and
multiple nested quotes ad-infinitum, plus most of the
reverse-quoting (stubborn folks who knowingly and willing want to
reinvent the wheel of communications excepted).
> Bounced again! Hmmm. I have a number of ISP accounts (I travel, remember).
> Maybe it doesn't like different accounts - OK let me make my e-mail address
> and the reply address the same and send the email via the ISP with that
> email addy. Try again!
It's the only way to block spam 100%....and the bounce-instructions
clearly tell you how to deal with multiple accounts.
> To quote a well-known person "The desire to uderstand is sometimes far less
> intelligent than the inability to understand". Actually, I'm afraid that I
> have no desire to understand that quote (I suspect that it is a lossy
> translation - technical phrase!)
It's more like a self-fulfilling prophecy....:))
> Regards, from an apparently dumb old fart who believes that the use of
> technology should be simple and intuitive (it may very well possible, but
> human beings stuff it up?!)
All you need to do in any decent mailer is to hit 'reply'....
Without any hurdles, this list would suffocate in misplaced admin
commands and spam, and you wouldn't even *want* to read it anymore.
You're also the first in nearly 8 months to complain about the lack
of a post-address in the web-instructions....you normally don't end
up there without either s_ubscribing immediately thereafter (and
thereby receiving the welcome message), or by previously having
received a list message (in which this URL was mentioned), which
wouldn't take no more than hitting 'reply' for the correct posting-address
to appear....
--
Bye,
Willem-Jan Markerink
The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
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