Chris Eastwood wrote:
> 
[...]
> When I bought my 630 (in 1991) it came with a 35-70 zoom, and I still use
> this lens. I've dropped it numerous times (oops) and its even got a scar on
> it, where it was around my neck when I took a tumble across the bonnet of a
> car on my motorbike. This lens, and the EF50 f1.8 and EF24 f.28 , as well
> as the all of the canon lenses I've seen and handled (and hired) which have
> the "rough" plastic barrels (looks kind of like what used to be a a epoxy
> coating of metal) have been stout performers.
> 
> But, even they have seemed a little flimsy (although proven otherwise)
> compared with the lenses from other camera makers (Pentmumble and
> Olymumble) that I've bought in the past. Certainly the notion of a lens
> "failing" to operate is a new notion, and one which we all seem to have
> "grown comfortable with"
> 
> Is it just me, or are we all accepting less some how?

Somehow, I have to agree with you. I'd definitely prefer the "feel" of
metal.
Maybe I'd not prefer the weight of metal, but I could likely live with
it,
especially with the "smaller" lenses. OTOH, the only Canon EF lens I had
*ever* a problem with, was the one which "feels" the most stable. It was
my
good old 80-200 f/2.8 L! Well, while they (Canon) seem to have used
quite a 
bit of metal to build it, the AF switch is plastic and broke. I never
would 
have thought it would cost me around $75 to get that little plastic
thingy 
repaired :-(

So, my message is, while those lenses sure feel flimsy, they are quite
robust
in daily use, although everything might fail sometimes (even the good,
old,
solid feeling metal built lenses).

> 
> Eg ... when I bought my first 28-105 I decided to do some lens testing, I
> shot some test targets, with fuji velvia, and exposed using flash, in a
> darkend room using a 3 second exposure (reasons being to damp out any
> shutter vibration before I triggered the flash to expose the film) the only
> light comming from the flash.
> 
> I found that (to my surprise) there was no discernable difference between
> the 35-70 and the 28-105 within the shared focal lengths, worse, I found
> that the 28-105 exhibited some more vignetting at f5.6 but was ok at f8.
> Both lenses allowd me to see the test target at about the 70lp/mm region.
> Outside testing showed both to have almost identical contrast and colour
> rendition. As well the AF speed engendered by the USM was not so noticable
> at focal lengths like 35mm or even 70mm (the same can not be said for my
> 100-300 zoom which focuses like a blink) needless to say, I sold the 28-105
> and kept my 35-70.

While the 28-105 is a solid performer, it's not exactly stellar for
sure.
You have to pay *something* (besides money) for the extended zoom range.
A 35-70 is certainly much easier to design than a 28-105. 

> 
> my point is, that it seems that we're not getting much optical benefits,
> and there doesn't seem to be any "cost" benefit either. Surely, if Canon
> was to still produce the 35-70 lens unchanged over the years, then the
> scale of production would bring its costs to the consumer down even more.

They (Canon) look at the market! What do most people want today? A
camera
which can do everything automagically and lenses with a BIIIG zoom
range.
And everything CHEAP of course. Image quality is secondary to them ... 
So they get what they want - at the lowest production price possible.

> 
> worse, it seems that lately, any lens that is not an L series, seems to be
> junkier than before. I honestly prefer the feel and cost/benefit of my EF50
> f1.8 to the USM 1.4 (which feels less robust, though again I'm not sure). I
> was looking at the 20-35, and it too seemed to have a simmilar construction
> to the 28-105 rather than the construction of the 16-35.

It seems Canon abandoned a real mid level range, the difference between
low and
mid range being mostly USM and not image and build quality. It has also
been a
long time since they announced a newer version of a mid range prime
lens. They
haven't been changed in decades ;-) Probably not enough of a market for
them out 
there. The 24/2.8, 28/2.8, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/1.4, 85/1.8, 100/2, no newer
versions
in a decade or more. Now look at the consumer zooms ... Changes and even
completely
new zooms every year. Well, that's where the market has gone.

> 
> why do we have to get junky lens barrels, and mechanisms??

Cost? Weak AF motors needing play in the barrel? I don't know!

> 
> is the answer to only buy L series lenses?? Which is a shame if it is.

Either that, or buy older lens models used. It IS a shame IMHO in any
case.

Thomas Bantel
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