On 4 Dec 2002 at 0:28, Javier Perez wrote:
> Howdy
> I don't really see a problem either way.
> I've always considered etiquette to be more
> related to pleseantness than format.
Bad format is unpleasant and inefficient....below the notification I
used to be able to send automatically to quote-offenders:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Dear listmember,
Your message was filtered out by Majordomo because you quoted
unnecessary text, in particular the admin-footer (on the bottom of
every list message, with URL for list instructions).
Since Majordomo also uses this check to prevent mail-loops (mail
loops will cause multiple admin-footers, adding one every time the
message is distributed), you *must* edit your replies, and not quote
the entire message.
Also note that these admin-footers are nearly always present when
replying in the wrong order ('reply-first, quote last'), which on
itself is quite inconvenient for other list members....see
explanation I once posted to the Infrared list:
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From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:31:13 +0000
Subject: Admin stuff (was: bulk film holders, IR safe?
Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear gang,
Lately I notice that several members are putting the quoted text
below the actual reply, which is not recommended.
At first this might sound like silly nit-picking, but it is actual
part of Netiquette, and for more than one (good) reason, all closely
related to each other:
1) a longer thread with multiple messages/replies is very hard to
read/edit in the reverse order of quote/reply
2) in the reverse order, you can't create a line-for-line (or
alinea-for-alinea) reply, you will have to quote all, followed by a
single alinea of reply....this is often neither efficient
(unnecessary quoting), nor to the point, making things harder to
read.
3) if you reply on top, there is a good chance you don't even notice
how long the section is you quoted, since you hardly see it. Proof
of that is often found in the inclusion of the admin-footer, which
will then appear twice....to me, and many others, this is considered
pretty sloppy behaviour.
4) while such sloppy quoting might not affect real-time readers much,
it is a pest for the digest....one has to skip long irrelevant
sections to get to the next message....again very inefficient.
Some of you might still not see all this as a real problem, since
the traffic on this list isn't very high, but please keep in mind
that many members read several other mailinglists & newsgroups as
well, and all these bits of unnecessary inefficiency add up to a
considerable amount of wasted time & energy, sometimes even
resulting in a message that gets no secondary reply at all (no
matter how relevant or necessary that reply would be....the more
editing needed to create a sensible reply, the lower the chance of
getting one).
So please stick to the most logical order, and keep quotes to a
minimum, for reading & distribution efficiency.
--
Bye,
Willem-Jan Markerink
The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
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Lastly, for those of you wanting to reply in the right order, but
their mail-software preventing them from doing so (conveniently), see
a chapter on my homepage about how to changing these settings in
some mail-clients:
http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/quot_ord.txt
--
Bye,
Willem-Jan Markerink
The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
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