Hi Gerard - 

Thank you, that's very helpful.  From what you're saying, I'm gathering that 
Vari-Power is only available when the /flash/ is in manual mode, and that it 
can be so even when the camera is some other mode.  This is a new possibilty to 
me, and I'll try to do some EOS flash reading (I know there are Web resoiurces) 
on what the relationship is - under ETTL - between the camera and the flash 
under these conditions - say body on P or Av, flash on M.  It may be as simple 
as "they're independent," like the situation on my older cameras when I put the 
flash on manual, but even there I think  (not sure about this) the thyristor is 
still reading the flash and extinguishing it according to conditions, however 
just conditions set by the power setting (1/4, 1/16 etc) on the flash.  I told 
you my flash theory was rusty.  <g>

One other question, not having dealt with slaving before:  how much control is 
there over main/slave power ratios? 

best

Ken
 



E-TTL(II) uses the evaluative exposure circuits of the camera to
>determine the exposure. E-TTL-II takes also distance information (if
>available) into account.
>With (M)anual mode, you set a fixed power and the flash will ALWAYS
>fire at that specific power setting.
>Flash exposure depends on f/stop (lens aperture) and distance. If you
>set FEC to -1, the ETTL system will expose the subject at -1 stop even
>if you walk to it, get further away or open-up/close-down the
>diafragma (within the limits of the flash power). With Manual, first
>of all, you will need a flash meter (or the digital histogram method)
>to determine the correct exposure. Let's say that (like in your
>example) that you set 1/2 power to get the subject with -1 stop flash
>exposure; now, if you get closer and want to maintain the same
>exposure you have to dial down the flash power or increase the f/stop
>to compensate for the variation in distance.
>
> >My limited understanding of E-TTL also causes me to
> > wonder how much this changes in various exposure modes, especially Av.
>
>In (M)anual mode, the flash will output the given amount of power
>(1/1,1/2,1/4,1/8...) independently of the camera mode used. I hope
>that's also clear from the previous paragraph.
>
>
> > With my current 420EX/30D or Elan 7 setup I can get 2 stops of
> > negative FEC, so one advantage of the 580EX would be the ability to
> > go all the way down to 1/128 for macro fill and the like, if these
> > two are really related.
>1/128 = Nope. That's just minumum manual power, but in E-TTL the flash
>can output even less power than that!
>
>With the 580EX you can get -3 stops FEC, but I don't know how that
>helps in macro situations (-3 would be only for some catchlights)
>
>
> > Any other comments on what real-world, noticeable, pluses there would
> > be to the upgrade also welcome.  I do realize the 580 has a higher
> > GN, of course.  But the 420EX is an amazing little unit, I've never
> > been disappointed in it.  But now that I have a DSLR I'm wanting to
> > experiment a lot more - what would the 580 do that the 420 can't?
>
>I don't have a 420EX so I can't answer to that question. I upgraded
>from a 550EX and I'm very satisfied with the 580EX. Main 'highlights'
>(pun intended :-) are: 14mm diffusion panel, white catchlight panel,
>very fast recycle times, a friendly user interface (the wheel behind
>is the best thing that Canon could do!)  I can even set one slave with
>1 hand instead of needing two hands for the 550EX. the 580EX can be a
>wireless master controller.
>
> >what would the 580 do that the 420 can't?
>The obvious: putting out more light
>-Wireless master
>- 14mm coverage
>- manual mode
>- stroboscopic mode
>- automatic zoom compensation for DSRL cropping
>- wanting another 580EX
>- a hole in your pocket
>
>:-)
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