On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 14:42:12 -0700
Stephen John Smoogen <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> One of the requests was to have snapshots of the guidelines that we
> worked each channel against so that it was clearer what 5 wanted
> versus 6 wanted.

Sure, we have it divided into 5 and 6 here (I assume we don't have too
many changes from 7):
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL:Packaging

> > Yeah. I think we could include 2 versions of everything (at the
> > cost of 2x of the mirror space and bandwith), but then you have
> > things like foo-1.0 has a major security bug and foo-1.1 came out
> > to fix it, and you trick someone into downgrading or installing the
> > old one and exploit them. ;(
> 
> If we don't delete them from koji we aren't fixing anything because if
> I can trick you to downgrade, I can trick you to go to the version in
> koji because it has the fix needed. [Since I have seen people talk
> about their systems getting broken into after they did exactly that..
> I think it isn't going too far in assumptions :)]

Well, it becomes a great deal harder. 

1. Hey, you should 'yum downgrade foo' because the newest one isn't
good. 

vs

2. Hey, you should download this
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/blah/blah/blah/foo.rpm and 'yum
--nogpgcheck localinstall foo.rpm' because the new one is broken. 

The first one sounds a lot more legit. I think not having it in enabled
repos makes it a good deal more clear. 

> Or not promise it at all. I think the underlying issue is that people
> think we do have full-time people working on EPEL with the same
> controls (if not more) than we have in Fedora.

Could be, yeah. 

> >> * EPEL only covers part of Enterprise Linux (the Server product)
> >> but a lot of packages are for the Workstation but there is no way
> >> to see when things replace/conflict with them. [People believe
> >> that we build against the equivalent of CentOS-5/6/7 versus a
> >> subchannel.]  
> >
> > Yeah, not sure how to fix that without a second workstation
> > branch. :(  
> 
> The only monstrosities I have thought of were:
> epel-server-N
> epel-workstation-N
> epel-combined-N
> 
> which sounded like a ton of work for little benefit.

Yes. 

> OH yeah.. that was one of the items.. why is the website so old and
> dead. I told them your story about trying to fix it up and finding
> parts reverted over and over again. Someone recommended : Just start
> from scratch and kill the old stuff. Which I think was part of the
> "recharter" talks.

I'd fullly support someone working over the wiki... always good. ;) 

Not sure I have the cycles to do it myself tho. 

kevin

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