--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Georges Metanomski <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Georges Metanomski <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [analytical-indicant-theory] Torture To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 9:51 AM ============ = G: Agreed with every word. Only a little addendum: While Geneva Convention RIGHTLY protects POWs, terrorists and genocidal criminals, there is unfortunately no Geneva Convention to protect simple innocent people from tortures inflicted by mafias such as that of wind. Hundreds of thousands are exposed to noise, stroboscopic effects, disco effects, and infrasounds. All of them were used as turtures by Nazis and/or Gulag, more acutely of course, but qualitatively alike. I was exposed to them, spending voluntarily months in leading Wind "Parks", for my study and for the fight I led and won saving my village and close neighborhood from the tortures. To all backseat drivers who will doubtless accuse me of bias, exageration and what not, I say in advance: Jump of the window, or, if sincere, spend a month within a good dense Wind "Park" . Then, after a cure in a clinic to recover (hopefully) your physical and mental equilibrium, you will be able to talk turkey. Georges ============ ===== Richard: The following is a portion of Article 3 of the Geneva Convention, dealing with torture. Following that are some comments of mine regarding the things we [USA] did in abrogation of the Geneva Convention, to which we were an early signatory. Article 3 In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions: 1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria. To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons: (a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; (b) Taking of hostages; (c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment; (d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples. 2. The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for. An impartial humanitarian body, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, may offer its services to the Parties to the conflict. To date we have on record the effective confession of Dick Cheney that *enhanced interrogation* [i.e. cruel and degrading treatment, including water boarding] was approved for use on *detainees* at various prison locations around the world – i.e. prisons, operated by the CIA. And yet, much of the current discussion surrounds the possibility that such cruel and illegal methods actually produced *actionable intelligence* that *saved American lives.* [There is scant evidence that this was the case.] We seem to have completely ignored that we broke both USA and International law. Much of the USA population believes that the means justifies the end – of thwarting some terrible attack on the *homeland.* Yet, the real experts, in the military and the FBI, and others in British intelligence service, have testified that harsh interrogations do little in the way of extracting useful and correct information. We have become a paranoid nation, as the result of 9-11. I wonder how long it will last? Those who might be interested in the full story of all this might want to read The Dark Side, by Jane Mayer – a superb and wonderfully researched book on the subject. I hope that the day will come that those involved in the justification and approval for the torture we have employed will face the justice they deserve. Richard Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell's full line of laptops. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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