I think I agree. Human rights need to start in access to justice for all.
On 11 June, 11:52, Georges Metanomski <[email protected]> wrote: > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Georges Metanomski <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Georges Metanomski <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [analytical-indicant-theory] Torture > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 9:51 AM > > ============ = > > G: > > Agreed with every word. > > Only a little addendum: > > While Geneva Convention RIGHTLY protects POWs, > > terrorists and genocidal criminals, there is > > unfortunately no Geneva Convention to protect simple > > innocent people from tortures inflicted by mafias > > such as that of wind. Hundreds of thousands are exposed > > to noise, stroboscopic effects, disco effects, and > > infrasounds. All of them were used as turtures by Nazis > > and/or Gulag, more acutely of course, but qualitatively > > alike. > > I was exposed to them, spending voluntarily months in > > leading Wind "Parks", for my study and for the fight I > > led and won saving my village and close neighborhood > > from the tortures. > > To all backseat drivers who will doubtless accuse me > > of bias, exageration and what not, I say in advance: > > Jump of the window, > > or, if sincere, spend a month within a good dense > > Wind "Park" . Then, after a cure in a clinic to recover > > (hopefully) your physical and mental equilibrium, you > > will be able to talk turkey. > > Georges > > ============ ===== > > Richard: > > The > > following is a portion of Article 3 of the Geneva Convention, dealing with > > torture. Following that are some > > comments of mine regarding the things we > > [USA] did > > in abrogation of the Geneva Convention, to which we were an early > > signatory. > > Article 3 > > In the case of armed > > conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one > of > > the High Contracting Parties, each party to the conflict shall be bound to > > apply, as a minimum, the following provisions: > > 1. Persons taking no > > active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have > laid > > down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, > detention, > > or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without > > any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth > > or wealth, or any other similar criteria. > > To this end the > > following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place > > whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons: > > (a) Violence to life > > and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and > > torture; > > (b) Taking of hostages; > > (c) Outrages upon > > personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment; > > (d) The passing of > > sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment > > pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial > > guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples. > > 2. The wounded and sick > > shall be collected and cared for. > > An impartial > > humanitarian body, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, may > > offer its services to the Parties to the conflict. > > To date we have on > > record the effective confession of Dick Cheney that *enhanced interrogation* > > [i.e. cruel and degrading treatment, including water boarding] was approved > for > > use on *detainees* at various prison locations around the world – i.e. > prisons, > > operated by the CIA. > > And yet, much of the > > current discussion surrounds the possibility that such cruel and illegal > methods > > actually produced *actionable intelligence* that *saved American lives.* > [There is scant evidence that this was the > > case.] We seem to have completely ignored that we broke both > > USA and International > > law. Much of the > > USA population believes > > that the means justifies the end – of thwarting some terrible attack on the > > *homeland.* Yet, the real experts, > > in the military and the FBI, and others in British intelligence service, have > > testified that harsh interrogations do little in the way of extracting useful > > and correct information. We have > > become a paranoid nation, as the result of 9-11. I wonder how long it will > > last? > > Those who might be > > interested in the full story of all this might want to read The Dark > > Side, by Jane Mayer – a superb and wonderfully researched book on the > > subject. > > I hope that the day will > > come that those involved in the justification and approval for the torture we > > have employed will face the justice they deserve. > > Richard > > Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! 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