I got a therapy of being not beaten but struck by peacock feathers by Sri Sathya Sai (pronounced phonetically Saya) Baba, London 1996, (I hope I have spelt his name correctly), it did not have much effect upon my Karma alas, and the Didgeridoo therapist who was treating using sound in the corner, was far more appealing. However, in Buddhism the subject of God and consciousness is left to the 14 unanswered questions by Buddha in the Abhidharma texts and commentaries. This to allow the coalition of religion and/or science. The "or" bit though, has not worked very well, so why not eliminate the "or" and realise that it does not matter whatever you call it, its all the same, and in our hearts we all need and desire the same things in order to survive.
From: KUMARESAN RAMASAMY Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 5:14 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [epistemology 10951] Re: God and Consciousness. Theoretical examples are no linger lives. I understand that you have doubts in his materialisation. The answer will be simply Metaphysics.[I attached some metaphysice documents for overview.] The scientists whoever involved in metaphysics have accepted the materialisation can done only by God. I will give some existing examples similar to Lingam creation by Sri Sathya Sai Bhagwan. Egg shell made of calcites will get harden only when it exposure to air. similarliy pearl formation also.[ please refer my attachment] suppose, Wind germination and insect germination in a plant can takes some months of time whereas artificial germination can lessen the actual time. Similarly artifical pearls can be much faster than natural pearls. But quality may vary. since it depends on man perfection. But a divine can collect the materials and process the gold or any ornaments in microseconds by completing all the process of gold mine and ornaments manufacturing company. There are millions of peoples who really experienced the miracles of Divine which cannot be simply believed by mere sounds. But we also cannot ignore them. A single man cannot occupy all peoples around the world. Abraham Lincoln can inspire only americans to greater extent. similarly Gandhiji can do only indians, Nelson mandela can do south africans. May be we all have a place in our hart for them. But Divine occupies all the peoples heart around the world completely. Also some videos exclaiming his miracles and raise doubts in his usual actions. But I can say there are always opposite to every thing. When there is devotee then there must be opposers. So the video can be morphing. Also I do not insists only the Sri Sathya Sai. But I sure to realise the superior power beyond us. Einstein accepted the God's existence. And so many .. . On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:39 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: Kumaresan, even though there are millions of Sri Baba followers, in the true spirit of inquiry, one must question his response to a challenge concerning some of his ‘miracles’. I post the following only as something I found at Wikapedia about these miracles and find the video I've added at the bottom to be quite telling: “…In April 1976, Dr. H. Narasimhaiah, a physicist, rationalist and then vice chancellor of Bangalore University, founded and chaired a committee "to rationally and scientifically investigate miracles and other verifiable superstitions". Haraldsson stated that Narasimhaiah wrote Sathya Sai Baba a polite letter and two subsequent letters that were widely publicized in which he publicly challenged Baba to perform his miracles under controlled conditions. Sathya Sai Baba said that he ignored Narasimhaiah's challenge because he felt his approach was improper. Sathya Sai Baba further said about the Narasimhaiah committee, "Science must confine its inquiry only to things belonging to the human senses, while spiritualism transcends the senses. If you want to understand the nature of spiritual power you can do so only through the path of spirituality and not science. What science has been able to unravel is merely a fraction of the cosmic phenomena ..." According to Erlendur Haraldsson, the formal challenge from the committee came to a dead end because the negative attitude of the committee was obvious and perhaps because of all the fanfare involved. Narasimhaiah stated that he considered the fact that Sathya Sai Baba ignored his letters as one among several indications that his miracles are fraudulent. As a result of this episode, a public debate raged for several months in Indian newspapers. Narasimhaiah's committee was dissolved in August 1977. Sathya Sai Baba says of "miracles", "those who profess to have understood me, the scholars, the yogis, the pundits, the jnanis, all of them are aware only of the least important, the casual external manifestation of an infinitesimal part of that power, namely, the "miracles"! This has been the case in all ages. People may be very near (physically) to the Avathar, but they live out their lives unaware of their fortune; they exaggerate the role of miracles, which are as trivial, when compared to my glory and majesty, as a mosquito is in size and strength to the elephant upon which it squats. Therefore, when you speak about these 'miracles,' I laugh within myself out of pity that you allow yourself so easily to lose the precious awareness of my reality." …” - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba#Claims_of_materialization_and_other_miracles Much more is claimed in that article about him. And, I know that similar allegations have arisen about many ‘holy men’. And, personally I judge teachings rather than the teacher. However, even though there have been many renunciations of such criticisms by Sai Baba, the following video I ran across a while back speaks for itself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwOecpMkHH0&feature=related Notice that this is part 1 of 4. On Nov 6, 1:19 am, KUMARESAN RAMASAMY <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear All, > > I just infroduce myself as KUMARESAN from India. > > God is present in every atoms in every creature. Of course, once we feel the > presence of god inside us, our words, thoguhts and deeds will be in harmony > and bring divine actions. > > Ref books by Sri Sathya Sai BHAGWAN and this will helps us to understand > the cosmic form of divine.There are lots of proofs and miracles which will > clear our thinking. > > I am pleased to share my views and welcome more comments. > > Good day to all. > > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Hem Joshi <[email protected]> wrote: > > Its very true to some extent that God exist only in human brains, but in > > India "The Land of Saint' from where I belong there is a lots of research > > have been done since time immemorial on this. As a result in Hindu mythology > > The existence of God is proved in every particle of Universe. > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:04 PM, socratus <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> God and Consciousness. > > >> Mr. ‘FF ’ wrote: > >> ‘ There is only one place where "God" has been > >> demonstrated, even proven to exist - in human brains.’ > >> === . > >> God and Consciousness. > > >> It seems you are right saying: ‘There is only one place > >> where "God" has been demonstrated, even proven > >> to exist - in human brains.’ > >> Why? Because if God exist, HE /SHE/ IT must be > >> in every place it means in human brains too. > >> Question: is it possible to prove this ? > >> I will try. > >> Our brain works on dualistic basis: usually consciousness > >> (logically) and rarely unconsciousness ( at first it seems > >> illogically but at last it shows as very wise act) . > >> In his book ‘ The Holographic Universe’ Michael Talbot > >> on the page 160 explained this situation in such way: > >> ‘ Contrary to what everyone knows it is so, it may not be > >> the brain that produce consciousness, but rather consciousness > >> that creates the appearance of the brain - . . . .’ > >> But as the ‘Bhagavad Gita’ says: > >> Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. > >> They do not know My transcendental nature and > >> My supreme dominion over all that be. > >> / Chapter 9. Text 11./ > >> ========== . . > >> Best wishes. > >> Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus. > > >>http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=23624&st=15 > >>http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=2547&st=105 > >>http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=2548 > > >> ================== . .- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
