"I cannot understand holy war, but after Hitler (atheist,pagan), Stalin, Mao, Pol, Kim, Enver, gosh - just about every educated government but the U.S. was atheist and genocidal (some still), and the non Judeo Christian countries in pagan times were brutal...do you stupidly think people can bring about world peace on their own after last century...There is no monogamy in relationships anymore...people have no use for anyone else - and why should they? No love, no families, shallow hookups, technologies that Mengele and Ceucescu would have killed for...you guys have a rotten track record - instead of people loving each other and commiting to each other - the adage should be screw everyone but thyself...when I was younger, I wanted one man to commit to and every child would be sacrosanct...good luck today! It is too easy to label any believer in god as a nutcase but what is your reasoning for living? How do you prove your case in light of Communism or Facism or paganism which were brutal societies?"
What a bad argument!!!!! Oh... I though that in this mail list there will be more reasonable people... So Hitler in fist place was Christian! So all Christians are evil?? I can't have an argument with you, don't argue with stupid persons. einseele: Prazer em conhecê-lo. Att; Enrique Fynn. -- Artificial intelligence laboratory Federal University of Uberlândia "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." 2009/11/7 KUMARESAN RAMASAMY <[email protected]> > Theoretical examples are no linger lives. I understand that you have doubts > in his materialisation. > The answer will be simply Metaphysics.[I attached some metaphysice > documents for overview.] The scientists whoever involved in metaphysics have > accepted the materialisation can done only by God. > I will give some existing examples similar to Lingam creation by Sri Sathya > Sai Bhagwan. > > Egg shell made of calcites will get harden only when it exposure to air. > similarliy pearl formation also.[ please refer my attachment] > suppose, Wind germination and insect germination in a plant can takes some > months of time whereas artificial germination can lessen the actual time. > > Similarly artifical pearls can be much faster than natural pearls. But > quality may vary. since it depends on man perfection. > > But a divine can collect the materials and process the gold or any > ornaments in microseconds by completing all the process of gold mine and > ornaments manufacturing company. > > There are millions of peoples who really experienced the miracles of Divine > which cannot be simply believed by mere sounds. But we also cannot ignore > them. > > A single man cannot occupy all peoples around the world. > Abraham Lincoln can inspire only americans to greater extent. similarly > Gandhiji can do only indians, Nelson mandela can do south africans. May be > we all have a place in our hart for them. > > But Divine occupies all the peoples heart around the world completely. > > Also some videos exclaiming his miracles and raise doubts in his usual > actions. But I can say there are always opposite to every thing. When there > is devotee then there must be opposers. > So the video can be morphing. > > Also I do not insists only the Sri Sathya Sai. But I sure to realise the > superior power beyond us. Einstein accepted the God's existence. And so many > .. . > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:39 PM, ornamentalmind > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> Kumaresan, even though there are millions of Sri Baba followers, in >> the true spirit of inquiry, one must question his response to a >> challenge concerning some of his ‘miracles’. I post the following >> only as something I found at Wikapedia about these miracles and find >> the video I've added at the bottom to be quite telling: >> >> “…In April 1976, Dr. H. Narasimhaiah, a physicist, rationalist and >> then vice chancellor of Bangalore University, founded and chaired a >> committee "to rationally and scientifically investigate miracles and >> other verifiable superstitions". Haraldsson stated that Narasimhaiah >> wrote Sathya Sai Baba a polite letter and two subsequent letters that >> were widely publicized in which he publicly challenged Baba to perform >> his miracles under controlled conditions. Sathya Sai Baba said that he >> ignored Narasimhaiah's challenge because he felt his approach was >> improper. Sathya Sai Baba further said about the Narasimhaiah >> committee, "Science must confine its inquiry only to things belonging >> to the human senses, while spiritualism transcends the senses. If you >> want to understand the nature of spiritual power you can do so only >> through the path of spirituality and not science. What science has >> been able to unravel is merely a fraction of the cosmic >> phenomena ..." According to Erlendur Haraldsson, the formal challenge >> from the committee came to a dead end because the negative attitude of >> the committee was obvious and perhaps because of all the fanfare >> involved. Narasimhaiah stated that he considered the fact that Sathya >> Sai Baba ignored his letters as one among several indications that his >> miracles are fraudulent. As a result of this episode, a public debate >> raged for several months in Indian newspapers. Narasimhaiah's >> committee was dissolved in August 1977. >> Sathya Sai Baba says of "miracles", "those who profess to have >> understood me, the scholars, the yogis, the pundits, the jnanis, all >> of them are aware only of the least important, the casual external >> manifestation of an infinitesimal part of that power, namely, the >> "miracles"! This has been the case in all ages. People may be very >> near (physically) to the Avathar, but they live out their lives >> unaware of their fortune; they exaggerate the role of miracles, which >> are as trivial, when compared to my glory and majesty, as a mosquito >> is in size and strength to the elephant upon which it squats. >> Therefore, when you speak about these 'miracles,' I laugh within >> myself out of pity that you allow yourself so easily to lose the >> precious awareness of my reality." …” - >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba#Claims_of_materialization_and_other_miracles >> >> Much more is claimed in that article about him. And, I know that >> similar allegations have arisen about many ‘holy men’. And, personally >> I judge teachings rather than the teacher. However, even though there >> have been many renunciations of such criticisms by Sai Baba, the >> following video I ran across a while back speaks for itself. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwOecpMkHH0&feature=related >> >> Notice that this is part 1 of 4. >> >> >> On Nov 6, 1:19 am, KUMARESAN RAMASAMY <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Dear All, >> > >> > I just infroduce myself as KUMARESAN from India. >> > >> > God is present in every atoms in every creature. Of course, once we feel >> the >> > presence of god inside us, our words, thoguhts and deeds will be in >> harmony >> > and bring divine actions. >> > >> > Ref books by Sri Sathya Sai BHAGWAN and this will helps us to >> understand >> > the cosmic form of divine.There are lots of proofs and miracles which >> will >> > clear our thinking. >> > >> > I am pleased to share my views and welcome more comments. >> > >> > Good day to all. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Hem Joshi <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > Its very true to some extent that God exist only in human brains, but >> in >> > > India "The Land of Saint' from where I belong there is a lots of >> research >> > > have been done since time immemorial on this. As a result in Hindu >> mythology >> > > The existence of God is proved in every particle of Universe. >> > >> > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:04 PM, socratus <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> God and Consciousness. >> > >> > >> Mr. ‘FF ’ wrote: >> > >> ‘ There is only one place where "God" has been >> > >> demonstrated, even proven to exist - in human brains.’ >> > >> === . >> > >> God and Consciousness. >> > >> > >> It seems you are right saying: ‘There is only one place >> > >> where "God" has been demonstrated, even proven >> > >> to exist - in human brains.’ >> > >> Why? Because if God exist, HE /SHE/ IT must be >> > >> in every place it means in human brains too. >> > >> Question: is it possible to prove this ? >> > >> I will try. >> > >> Our brain works on dualistic basis: usually consciousness >> > >> (logically) and rarely unconsciousness ( at first it seems >> > >> illogically but at last it shows as very wise act) . >> > >> In his book ‘ The Holographic Universe’ Michael Talbot >> > >> on the page 160 explained this situation in such way: >> > >> ‘ Contrary to what everyone knows it is so, it may not be >> > >> the brain that produce consciousness, but rather consciousness >> > >> that creates the appearance of the brain - . . . .’ >> > >> But as the ‘Bhagavad Gita’ says: >> > >> Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. >> > >> They do not know My transcendental nature and >> > >> My supreme dominion over all that be. >> > >> / Chapter 9. Text 11./ >> > >> ========== . . >> > >> Best wishes. >> > >> Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus. >> > >> > >>http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=23624&st=15 >> > >>http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=2547&st=105 >> > >>http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=2548 >> > >> > >> ================== . .- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
