Yes--if the USA and all those other ''Super-Resource-Gobbling'' (SRG'S)
powers, were to compensate those who they have caused death and misery
to--the world would be a very safe place to live in.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:44 AM, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I think there is hope out there somewhere.
> I was in Laos a few years ago and despite my AMerican passport was
> warmly welcomed by all that I met.
> What is not widely known by most Americans is that the USA between
> 1964 and 1973, US aircraft flew 580,000 missions and dropped two
> million tonnes of bombs on Laos. These included 277 million cluster
> bomblets. That is more than was dropped on Germany in WW2. That was
> when Laos was not even at war with the US officially. The consequent
> de-stabilisation resulted in a communist dictatorship - the opposite
> of the aims of the USA.
> Death from unexploded ordinance is still an all too common event all
> this time later. With over 70 million bombs still left unexploded.
> Despite all this the people of Laos seemed to have forgiven though
> they cannot forget.
> This crime has remained unchallenged and uncompensated.
>  It's a strange world.
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 10, 12:56 pm, einseele <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > Good story of Sandra Laing here, did not know it and makes exactly the
> > point.
> >
> > Human drama goes that way.. A father looking for a court to classify a
> > black daughter as white is a concentrate juice of what we really are.
> >
> > No hope
> >
> > On 10 jul, 06:32, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > I agree. If we go back just 20 generations we all have over 2 million
> > > ancestors (barring the inevitable incest and repeat appearances).
> > > We only have to go back 30 generations to exceed the population at
> > > that time.
> >
> > > It is utterly arbitrary which of those ancestors we choose. But worse
> > > than that the genetic argument is false because humans, far more than
> > > any other species on earth are characterised by their live experience,
> > > culture and society.
> >
> > > I saw a film of a tragic story of Sandra Laing, a black girl born of
> > > white parents in 1950s South Africa. If anything more demonstrates the
> > > folly of genetic determinism is is that story.  Her father was pro-
> > > apartheid and was shamed by the existence of his own daughter getting
> > > the courts to classify her as white. She was forced by circumstances
> > > to re-classify her as coloured.
> > > It seems that somewhere in her 'tree' on both sides were some black
> > > ancestors.
> > > The fact of her existence completely destroys any justification, legal
> > > or otherwise of categorising people due to their 'race'.
> >
> > > On Jul 8, 6:11 pm, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > I tend to agree....Geneology has "relevance" for bigots and/or
> > > > "master racers"
> >
> > > > On Jul 8, 9:35 am, einseele <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Always called my attention the idea many people sustains as to
> > > > > building "genealogical trees"
> >
> > > > > And also I always felt sort of disgust for that idea. First because
> of
> > > > > the ignorance regarding such artifacts, and second because the
> > > > > impossible logic they try to convey.
> >
> > > > > In short they describe parent relationships, (better not to think),
> > > > > trying to fence... what?
> >
> > > > > How to consider someone a relative on a far distant branch. Or
> also,
> > > > > the opposite idea, how someone today or in the past or in the
> future
> > > > > could possibly not be a cousin.
> >
> > > > > And so you hear "I'm a direct descendant/relative of
> anybastardhere"
> >
> > > > > As far as population grows exponentially I can only see a common
> tree.
> > > > > No way of separate families. Even fishes are part of the list, or
> dust
> > > > > BTW
> >
> > > > > I believe this has to do with religion, ethnics, nationalities and
> > > > > other shit balls alike
>
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