On Oct 16, 4:12 am, sadovnik socratus <[email protected]> wrote: > Comment by Frank Steve > =. > The Electron Conscious?
I think that electrons, and especially photons may not exist independently of atoms. They may be more like 'atomic moods' which are shared. Electromagnetic waves then are not an energy pseudosubstance which occupies space, but rather they are propagated from node to node, as in bacterial quorum sensing or a crowd 'wave' in a stadium. Our only experience of electrons is through inference and detection by instruments made of atoms, so that the mathematical observations would be retained whether or not there are invisible particle-waves flying around or not. I call this hypothesis Telesemantics and my overall Theory of Everything is called Multisense Realism: http://s33light.org/post/11317186048 I think that telesemantics would still be plausible in the case that subatomic particles are independent objects, but my hunch is that as our observations push the envelope of our PRIF (Perceptual-Relativiy Inertial Frame), they lose their objectivity and increasingly feed back on the perceptual phenomenology of our instruments. Simply put, it's not Newton that breaks down at the Classical Limit, it's Copernicus. Objectivity is the waveform that collapses as we are left holding the bag of measurement within self-measurement. I know it must sound crazy and grandiose, but I think that I might actually be on the right track. I kind of think that I might have solved the hard problem of consciousness, and a number of other 'big question' that have puzzled scientists and philosophers for centuries. > At first glance this seems to be a rather senseless question. But then > IONS founder has been known to ask “Does the Universe Perceive? The > first is a micro question that implies the macro nature of the latter. > So here is my reasoning. If electrons of an oxygen atom enter and then > mysteriously leave their emergent atomic fields of manifestation in > precise femtosecond timing …and then instantly change their enter-exit > frequencies when their atoms nucleus combines with two hydrogen atoms > to form water … how do they know how … and when to do this > instantaneous switch? So the question is really two questions: > 1 – Do electrons possess dynamic states of awareness? Electrons *are* dynamic states of inter-atomic awareness possessed by molecules. > 2 – If so, are they also conscious … i.e. comparative reasoning? No way of knowing. Atoms could have a single consciousness that includes all atoms over all time or something like that. There maybe is only one atom or quark that is just experiencing itself in multiplicity. All kinds of exotic possibilities, but I tend to assume a conservative Occam-centric view that atoms have a proto-awareness that is as deterministic as it seems. They may not have access to enough time or depth of qualia to have anything like a self awareness - more of a sensorimotive witnessing of their own reflexive participation in events. This presumption of determinism may only be relativistic though - a function of the great difference in scale and velocity (PRIF) between our world and theirs. For all we know, what we detect of the microcosm may be a flatland slice of the least conscious bits of matter. I have a hunch that it's neither completely relativistic nor indexed absolutely. > 3 – And if they do possess limited spans of conscious, do they self- > control their reactive behaviors? No way to know. If we looked at human cities from space, we could wonder the same thing. We might assume urban development is a kind of automotive mold growing near the coastal areas and rivers. We possess consciousness and we are made of the same thing that they are, so there is no reason to assume that this capacity arises magically out of some occult configuration of neurons. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en.
