So, information is an end? Our understanding or not, of a ant's genome has nothing to do with its existence, it exists anyway! On Mar 21, 2012 4:57 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I agree the assumptions we make about information being anything or > having been anywhere other than as it is addressed may mislead us. > Modern realism is always structured realism to help with the issue > that data is always spun with theory. I still like its 'big stick' > feel - maybe it's all the cricket I played? > > On Mar 20, 10:31 pm, einseele <[email protected]> wrote: > > I still believe that the question "Where does information comes from" > > sustains, and it is also able to hold a major point, which is IMO the > > strange idea of something which is not here and somehow belongs to me. > > We can describe ants behaviors (most likely we just imagine things), or > > insulin readings like in my poor example above, or we can also believe in > > God's Word (He is the only knower for that matter), but we will never > know > > "where does any information comes from" (scientific, sacred, whichever). > > The question assumes that information is a something, a sort of > > matter/sequence which first: "comes", and second: from "somewhere". > > > > I still believe there is a truth here, which is that the information is > an > > absence. > > > > This is nothing new and you can see it all over pointed by other words, > > like for instance "potential energy" in physics, or much worst: Some 55 > > years ago I was a single cell for half an hour, and look at me know. > Where > > in the Hell all this ugly information I call "I" came from. > > DNA is not enough of course, even being a powerful code does not cover > that > > path. May be I spent 18 years sleeping, and what about all those crazy > > dreams gone. Not even God knows. > > > > To me the "where" part of the question is the key > > > > Em segunda-feira, 12 de dezembro de 2011 13h18min45s UTC-2, sadovnik > > socratus escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where does the information come from? > > > / Quantum Theory as Quantum Information / > > > ===… > > > # > > > Does information begin on the quarks level? > > > No. Quark cannot leave an atom. > > > Maybe does proton have quant of information? > > > No. Single proton has no quant of information. > > > Why? > > > Because information can be transfered only by > > > electromagnetic fields. And we don’t have a theory > > > about protono-magnetic fields. > > > # > > > In our earthly world there is only one fundamental > > > particle - electron who can transfer information. > > > Can an electron be quant of information? > > > Maybe at first glance this seems to be a rather senseless questions. > > > But . . . . . > > > Energy is electromagnetic waves (em). > > > In 1904 Lorentz proved: there isn’t em waves without Electron > > > It means the source of these em waves must be an Electron > > > The electron and the em waves they are physical reality > > > ============== > > > # > > > 1900, 1905 > > > Planck and Einstein found the energy of electron: E=h*f. > > > 1916 > > > Sommerfeld found the formula of electron : e^2=ah*c, > > > it means: e = +ah*c and e = -ah*c. > > > 1928 > > > Dirac found two more formulas of electron’s energy: > > > +E=Mc^2 and -E=Mc^2. > > > According to QED in interaction with vacuum electron’s > > > energy is infinite: E= ∞ > > > Questions. > > > Why does the simplest particle - electron have six ( 6 ) formulas ? > > > Why does electron obey five ( 5) Laws ? > > > a) Law of conservation and transformation energy/ mass > > > b) Maxwell’s equations > > > c) Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle / Law > > > d) Pauli Exclusion Principle/ Law > > > e) Fermi-Dirac statistics > > > #. > > > What is an electron ? > > > Now nobody knows > > > In the internet we can read hundreds theories about electron > > > All of them are problematical > > > We can read hundreds books about philosophy of physics. > > > But how can we trust them if we don’t know what is electron ? > > > ====. > > > Quote by Heinrich Hertz on Maxwell's equations: > > > > > "One cannot escape the feeling that these mathematical formulae > > > have an independent existence and an intelligence of their own, > > > that they are wiser than we are, wiser even than their discoverers, > > > that we get more out of them than was originally put into them." > > > ====. > > > Ladies and Gentlemen ! > > > Friends ! > > > Electron is not as simple as we think and, maybe, he is wiser than we > > > are. > > > ==========. > > > # > > > We know, there is no information transfer > > > without energy transfer. More correct: there is no quant > > > information transfer without quant energy transfer. > > > And the electron has the least electric charge. > > > It means it has some quant of the least information. > > > What can electron do with this information? > > > Let us look the Mendeleev / Moseley periodic table. > > > We can see that electron interacts with proton > > > and creates atom of hydrogen. > > > This is simplest design, which was created by electron. > > > And we can see how this information grows and reaches > > > high informational level. And the most complex design, > > > which was created by electron is the Man. > > > The Man is alive essence. Animals, birds, fish are alive essences. > > > And an atom? And atom is also alive design. > > > The free atom of hydrogen can live about 1000 seconds. > > > And someone a long time ago has already said, that if to give > > > suffices time to atom of hydrogen, he would turn into Man. > > > Maybe it is better not to search about "dark, virtual particles " > > > but to understand what the electron is, > > > because even now nobody knows what electron is. > > > ======================= > > > In my opinion the Electron is quant of information. > > > Was I mistaken? No ! > > > Because according to Pauli Exclusion Principle > > > only one single electron can be in the atom. > > > This electron reanimates the atom. > > > This electron manages the atom. > > > If the atom contains more than one electron > > > (for example - two), this atom represents " Siamese twins". > > > Save us, the Great God, of having such atoms, such children! > > > Each of us has an Electron, but we do not know it. > > > # > > > Many years ago man has accustomed some wild > > > animals (wolf, horse, cat, bull , etc.) > > > and has made them domestic ones. > > > But the man understands badly the four-footed friends. > > > In 1897 J. J. Thomson discovered new particle - electron. > > > Gradually man has accustomed electron to work for him. > > > But the man does not understand what an electron is. > > > By my peasant logic at first it is better to understand > > > the closest and simplest particle photon /electron and > > > then to study the far away space and another particles. > > > ==========. > > > Best wishes. > > > Israel Sadovnik. Socratus. > > > =====… > > > P.S. > > > The world of electron. > > > # > > > But maybe these electrons are World, > > > where there are five continents: > > > the art, > > > knowledge, > > > wars, > > > thrones > > > and the memory of forty centuries. > > > / Valery Brusov./ > > > ===============… > > > > Em segunda-feira, 12 de dezembro de 2011 13h18min45s UTC-2, sadovnik > > socratus escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where does the information come from? > > > / Quantum Theory as Quantum Information / > > > ===… > > > # > > > Does information begin on the quarks level? > > > No. Quark cannot leave an atom. > > > Maybe does proton have quant of information? > > > No. Single proton has no quant of information. > > > Why? > > > Because information can be transfered only by > > > electromagnetic fields. And we don’t have a theory > > > about protono-magnetic fields. > > > # > > > In our earthly world there is only one fundamental > > > particle - electron who can transfer information. > > > Can an electron be quant of information? > > > Maybe at first glance this seems to be a rather senseless questions. > > > But . . . . . > > > Energy is electromagnetic waves (em). > > > In 1904 Lorentz proved: there isn’t em waves without Electron > > > It means the source of these em waves must be an Electron > > > The electron and the em waves they are physical reality > > > ============== > > > # > > > 1900, 1905 > > > Planck and Einstein found the energy of electron: E=h*f. > > > 1916 > > > Sommerfeld found the formula of electron : e^2=ah*c, > > > it means: e = +ah*c and e = -ah*c. > > > 1928 > > > Dirac found two more formulas of electron’s energy: > > > +E=Mc^2 and -E=Mc^2. > > > According to QED in interaction with vacuum electron’s > > > energy is infinite: E= ∞ > > > Questions. > > > Why does the simplest particle - electron have six ( 6 ) formulas ? > > > Why does electron obey five ( 5) Laws ? > > > a) Law of conservation and transformation energy/ mass > > > b) Maxwell’s equations > > > c) Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle / Law > > > d) Pauli Exclusion Principle/ Law > > > e) Fermi-Dirac statistics > > > #. > > > What is an electron ? > > > Now nobody knows > > > In the internet we can read hundreds theories about electron > > > All of them are problematical > > > We can read hundreds books about philosophy of physics. > > > But how can we trust them if we don’t know what is electron ? > > > ====. > > > Quote by Heinrich Hertz on Maxwell's equations: > > > > > "One cannot escape the feeling that these mathematical formulae > > > have an independent existence and an intelligence of their own, > > > that they are wiser than we are, wiser even than their discoverers, > > > that we get more out of them than was originally put into them." > > > ====. > > > Ladies and Gentlemen ! > > > Friends ! > > > Electron is not as simple as we think and, maybe, he is wiser than we > > > are. > > > ==========. > > > # > > > We know, there is no information transfer > > > without energy transfer. More correct: there is no quant > > > information transfer without quant energy transfer. > > > And the electron has the least electric charge. > > > It means it has some quant of the least information. > > > What can electron do with this information? > > > Let us look the Mendeleev / Moseley periodic table. > > > We can see that electron interacts with proton > > > and creates atom of hydrogen. > > > This is simplest design, which was created by electron. > > > And we can see how this information grows and reaches > > > high informational level. And the most complex design, > > > which was created by electron is the Man. > > > The Man is alive essence. Animals, birds, fish are alive essences. > > > And an atom? And atom is also alive design. > > > The free atom of hydrogen can live about 1000 seconds. > > > And someone a long time ago has already said, that if to give > > > suffices time to atom of hydrogen, he would turn into Man. > > > Maybe it is better not to search about "dark, virtual particles " > > > but to understand what the electron is, > > > because even now nobody knows what electron is. > > > ======================= > > > In my opinion the Electron is > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Epistemology" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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