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Fred wrote:

> Why would anyone want to put rudder pedal's in an

> ercoupe?  With the limited rudder travel, it can't make

> much difference in control and you could, I guess,

> spin the plane if you cross up your controls?

 

 

Lee,

 

Could you please tell prospective purchasers which kind of kit you have?

  • The Alon kit steers the nose wheel with the pedals.
  • The ERCO kit steers the nose wheel with the yoke.

 

Fred,

 

I’ll put in a milquetoast endorsement FOR the rudder pedals, for those who want them.

 

The downside of the pedals:

  • They cramp the pilots legs on long flights.  My knees didn’t like them on long trips.
  • They cramp the passengers legs all the time since the passengers try hard to avoid pushing on (or touching) the pedals in fear of causing a crash.  Note that I never had ANY control problems when passengers DID accidentally push on the rudder pedals – see the cross-control report below.
  • You have to push on them all the time to keep the ball centered.
  • Most pilots will not keep the ball centered any better than will the 2-control linkage.

 

Advantages of the pedals:

  • You CAN get better glide path control by slipping.  It’s not dramatic, but the increase in sink in a full Coupe-slip is real and worthwhile.  I felt comfortable pulling power to idle on base or final when I had the field made because I could factor some slip into my mental calculations.  By planning to use the slip, I could just not use it if I found I was lower than planned.  This let me make the runway with no power, even if I pushed the throttle and nothing happened.  That does improve your safety some.  Yes, the 2-control Coupe has tools to accomplish this but I found slipping worked a bit better for me.
  • You can land one-wing-low in crosswinds up to about 15 mph crosswind component and keep the fuselage lined up with the runway and direction of motion – thus you make an elegant landing with a bit less tire wear.  (Over 15 mph crosswind component you still need to level the wings and land in the crab and that works well in strong winds.)
  • You can use both hands to fold maps or just rest your arms, steering and keeping the wings level with your feet alone.
  • Since you have to push the darn pedals all the time, you have very little transition back to spam cans.  You do stay in practice.
  • If you have to take your license check-ride in the plane AND get an obnoxious DPE, you don’t have to worry about getting a license restricted to 2-control.  (Note that we’ve had a couple of recent reports of 2-control Ercoupe owners who took their tests in their planes and got an unrestricted license.  “You bets you money, you takes you chances.”)

 

I’ve heard that the Coupe is still certificated and required to be placarded as “characteristically incapable of spinning” even with three-controls.  I heard one person who said that placard is supposed to be removed on the three-control planes but I’ve never seen confirmation of that.  (Documented proof of the truth of this issue would be appreciated.)

 

In my three control plane, I did (high altitude) stalls with the controls FULLY crossed – i.e. full left rudder and the aileron needed for level flight.  This testing was done at about 1350 lbs. on a winter day and I had lots of power from the engine – the up-pitch attitude at the stall was WAY up.  (On the straight-ahead stall with coordinated controls, the engine stopped from fuel exhaustion due to the extreme up-attitude.)

 

At low to moderate power settings and crossed controls, I still had adequate aileron control even with full left rudder (the worse condition) and had directional control in spite of the full left rudder.

 

At high power and crossed controls, about 100 rpm below max climb power, after the stall break, I found myself in a slow left turn with burbling and with full right aileron.  As soon as I relaxed the control input, full control was instantly established. That ride was a bit of a roller coaster and I chickened out on the full power test.  (I always have been a chicken-hawk.)  Anyway, I would be inclined to believe a statement that the 3-control Coupe is still “characteristically incapable of spinning.”

 

So, guys, I’d not give anyone a hard time for wanting pedals in their Coupe.  They are, according to what Fred Weick told me personally, a valid part of the design.

 

If I can someday shop for another Coupe, I will give equal consideration to planes with either rudder pedal kit and with no rudder pedals.  All are excellent examples of Fred Weick’s design.

 

Ed Burkhead

http://edburkhead.com

ed -at- edburkhead???.com          (change -at- to @ and remove "???")

 

 

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