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http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$pass*75753338!_h-www.landings.com/_landings/pages/search/search_dist_apt.html Try this web site. You put your beginning airport and ending airport in the sheet, add interim airports and it will give you airspace and MOA's on the route. You can adjust your interim airports to avoid restricted air space. It will give you the skinny on all MOA's in the flight vicinity. Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Burkhead To: 'Tandy Allen' ; Cflyin Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:38 PM Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Thinking about Flying to the East Coast ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- Tandy wrote: > The trip is beginning to sound better all the time. I > guess that one of my concerns is the amount of > restricted area back east. Tandy, There're not that many obstacles on the route to Connecticut. If you have a transponder, you can pass south of Chicago and Cleveland and north of Canton and Youngstown and way north of New York City. If you don't have a transponder, you might want to pass south of Youngstown and north of Pittsburg. But the doglegs aren't very acute and the length of the path isn't that much longer than a straight line. Useful website: http://aviationtoolbox.org/raw_data/FAA/sectionals/ In some ways, travel around restricted airspace is easier these days. On my two trips to the East, Connecticut and Pennsylvania, I started my flight planning on the sectionals I spread out on the conference table. First of all, I eyeballed the maps for airspace restricted to my no-transponder bird and preferences. By eye, I figured out whether I'd need to go by the north or south side or the bad air. I put a mark on the map on a location that would give me a straight line from the previous waypoint and to the next waypoint both. These interim waypoints were not placed too close to the obstacle but offset a way. Then, I drew a long line on the map from the starting point to the first waypoint, then the next, till the destination. Third, I carefully determined the latitude and longitude of the waypoints, checking each THREE times, each measurement from scratch. Now-a-days, you could easily cross-check the lat/lon with a mapping program like Microsoft Streets and Trips and Google Earth - especially if you pick a notable landmark for your waypoint. After that, I made a list of the center longitude/latitude of the obstacle (since they were mostly round, being based on airports) and noted the distance I had to stay out to be outside the edge of the bad air. Finally, I put my waypoints into my loran (now GPS) as waypoints and combined them into a route. I also entered the centers of the obstacles (big airports, mostly) into the gadget. Finally, as I flew from waypoint to waypoint, I kept my finger on my map, following the drawn pencil/highlighted line, always knowing where I was and cross checking against the ground almost every time I passed a town or landmark. The loran (now gps) would tell me my off track error and I was always pleased how close it kept me to my drawn line. By following my position on the map, I always had the nearest couple of airports in my mind. When flying high, I was usually within gliding distance of an airport, not to mention the many nice fields (until I got to the forests). As I was passing by the bad airspace, I'd switch back and forth from the next waypoint to the bad airspace center in order to double check my distance from the center - to be sure I had the clearance distance I intended. Between my line and finger on the map cross-checked out the window, my loran telling me my off-track error and the loran cross-check of the distance from the bad airspace center, I was able to cruise in a mighty relaxed way. Now-a-days, you'll have to check the TFRs right before you go and with Flight Service a time or three as you fly along and make adjustments as needed. But I found it pretty easy to handle the trip to Connecticut. Look at the Florida map if you want to see come cramped airspace for us no-transponder travelers. ============================================================================== To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm ============================================================================== To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
