Good morning, Mike

Comments interspersed.

Regards,

WRB

On May 8, 2009, at 09:59, Mike Willis wrote:

I have no idea of the figures but a large proportion of the ‘retired’ Ercoupes in the UK suffered crash damage, I think mainly on landing.  Most of these were Forneys used by flying schools back in the 1960’s.  I know of at least one Ercoupe that crashed on its test flight after restoration, flown by a competent pilot of course.

The "test flight after restoration" is properly the job of a factory test pilot. None available? Then whomever is willing gets the job, regardless of experience or talent. If the crash was the result of mechanical failure, likely the preflight or "restoration" was materially deficient.

I have to say that the behaviour of my Alon on landing took quite a bit of getting used to.  I came from training on Cessna 152s, and the high rate of sink when you get slow, inability to get the speed up at all by lowering the nose on short finals, and the lack of flaps made the handling and technique required during landing very different to what I previously knew and had experienced.

I would first point out that the "High rate of sink" can be instantly and reliably arrested by the application of power when altitude has been needlessly squandered in the approach and the necessary transition from sink to glide unreasonably delayed.

It is physically impossible to mistake an Alon for a 152 at any angle. These airframes have only in common that the engine is on the front, it has four cylinders that burn liquid fuel, there is room for two persons and the gear is tricycle and fixed.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that flying machines have charactistics between two extremes. There are those that must be knowledgeably guided by the pilot every moment or they will kill you, such as helicopters, the little Grummans and most taildraggers. There are those "in the middle" and there are Ercoupes (et al).

Many assume that the Ercoupe can be flown like other aircraft, and on most days it can. That does not change the immutable fact that when things get challenging and the pilot is not up to the challenge metal gets bent.

 Yes the Ercoupe might be easy to fly and learn on.  

It is, and that is because that was a design goal achieved beyond reasonable expectations. No one that learns to fly in an Ercoupe under an instructor competent in the type has any problem whatsoever resulting from it's unconventional capabilities and handling qualities.

But it’s characteristics during this crucial phase of flight are different to the ‘norm’.  Underestimating that, or forgetting about it, is obviously pilot error.  

Agree 100%.

It took me probably 20 hours and 40 landings before I felt comfortable about my landing technique.  I’d probably be quite dangerous flying a Cessna again now!

This has always been true. The Ercoupe's alleged "peers" were all taildraggers. The stall/spin fatality rate for all other airplanes when it was designed was horrendous and built in. You don't change that without changing the fundamental flight characteristics. This was a necessary and quite acceptable compromise by the designer and manufacturer. The fact that existing pilots might not accept the necessity of understanding the different theories of operation before strapping on an Ercoupe is to their discredit and not that of the plane.

So I would say the Ercoupe is definitely a safe aircraft, the problem is promoting it as an easy to fly aircraft, which implies you don’t need to learn much to jump out of one type and into an Ercoupe.

You hit the nail on the head here as to the actual "problem".

I have yet to comprehend how or why an aircraft known to have been specifically designed to be "easy (and safe) to fly" by a new student could be PRESUMED to fly like any other airplane by an otherwise qualified pilot. If it did, it could be no improvement!

There is meaningful difference between genuine implication and the unwarranted presumption of the uninformed. An uninformed pilot can not, by definition, be simultaneously a safe or qualified pilot.

Flawed logic mixed with sufficient ego is the perfect recipe for disaster because the complacency which results effectively obscures the genuine dangers of ignorance.

WRB

 Safe flying,

Mike
 Alon A2
 A-188
 G-HARY
 www.ercoupe.co.uk

 

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