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Percy, Beyond the Coupe, there are several "like types", identical flying characteristics, etc. in the Aeronca, Piper, and several other brand aircraft that are either in or out of the original proposal by just a few pounds. My Aeronca Chief is out by 18 lbs. while the Champ is in by 12 lbs. They are virtually the same otherwise (other than tandem vs side by side seating). Because the 1232 lbs. was a number picked without regard to this flight characteristic issue ( I understand that it was a metric number originally converted to lbs., therefore the uneven value), and it did leave some obvious choices out that logically should be included with those that are, EAA and others have pushed hard for the slight weight increase. I guess we have to sit back and wait though. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Percy Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "roger anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "McClure, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Ercoupe and Sport Pilot/Light-Sport Aircraft (long) > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > > At 12:45 PM 4/22/04 -0500, roger anderson wrote: > > >What actually is the certificated "stall speed" of a 415C? > > My POH (Pilot's Operating Handbook) shows it as 58 MPH (p. 10). > May I suggest you get one - from Univair or where ever. > > > I do think the weight will be increased over the originally proposed > >1232 lbs. to at least 1300 lbs. > > As much as I would like to agree with you, Roger, I do not think that > will be the case. The argument will be "If not 1232, then where? We > don't want amatuers flying single-engined Boeing 747's!" > <soapbox> > In a way, it is such a shame. The Ercoupe was designed for "the > Perpetual Intermediate (PI)." What do I mean by that? > > Let's look at a ski resort. Yeah, they got a bunny slope or two. And > they have the Black Diamond runs for the masters. But most of the > runs are for the PI. That is because the resort owners want to appeal > to the widest audience. > > Consider oneself at the start of the ski season. Out Of Shape, and a > hazard on the slopes. But a few runs, maybe on the bunny slopes, > and Back In The Groove. However, no real progress to afore said > Black Diamonds. One remains a PI; competent to have fun, but > sub-Olympic class. These are the ones queued up for the lifts > every weekend (and many week days) throughout the winter > (summer for those Ercoupers in the Southern Hemisphere). Most > importantly, they are the ones who keep the ski resorts in business. > > This same thought space applies to many things - flying included. > We all start with lessons, usually in a Cessna 150 (like me!). We > get good enough to pass the practical, then settle into a perpetual > intermediary. We are safe, only fly in good weather, and (usually) > operate with the same professionalism as the "big boys." This > does NOT mean we can do the Black Diamonds (like a P-51, say). > This is the perlieu of the masters - ones who do it every day. > > Now, my thesis is that most aviators are PI's. They are not professionals, > who are in the cockpit every day. They want, and would be best in, a > plane that won't kill `em as fast as the P-51. Like the skier, they start > the flying season out of shape. A couple touch-and-goes on a nice, > low-wind day and they are back in the groove. With the Ercoupe, it is > easier and less demanding to get back in said groove - period. > No rudder to trip you, no flaps to flip you. And the list goes on. > I have experienced it many times. My plane will get hung up in a > l-o-o-o-n-n-g annual-cum-fix-up, and it will be 6 months before I > "slip the surly bonds" again. But I can do it with aplomb. > Try that in a P-51. Yeah, maybe Chuck Yeager. But not me. > > I feel that most non-professional flying follows the Perpetual > Intermediate pattern, and that an airplane that goes with it will > be a winner. That's why I "fly the `coupe." Eventhough I might > have to sell mine... :-( > </soapbox> > Percy > > ========================================================================== == == > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers-tech/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ---- > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/04 > ========================================================================== ==== To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers-tech/
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