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I'll second that!  I've got a bunch of old Flying magazines from the 40',
50' 60's.  The performance figures stated in the various manufacturers ads
are rediculous.  Some of their cruise numbers so far fetched that I can't
imagine how they could explain the real numbers customers found after
purchase.  Every manufacturer was guilty. Roger
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From: "Greg Bullough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "William R. Bayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "COUPERS-TECH"
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Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] C-75 to C-85 question


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> At 01:34 PM 9/28/2004, William R. Bayne wrote:
>  >The factory got 127-129 m.p.h. with new planes in 1945 thru spring of
1946.
>
> To paraphrase Mark Twain, 'there are lies, damned lies, and factory
flight
> test results.'
>
> Prior to the FAA's stepping in during the mid-70's, virtually every
light
> aircraft manufacturer
> routinely inflated their cruise and max speeds from 10 to 20 percent.
>
> Whether they did so just by changing the numbers on the paper or whether
they
> pressured test pilots to come up with better results isn't clear. But
the
fact
> is they did it. Most of the numbers you see in the classic aircraft
books
are
> laughable.
>
> 127-129 in 415Cs from the factory is laughable.
>
> We have examples of the Ercoupe today which are as good as factory-new,
> little, if at all, heavier. They aren't that fast. They tend to be
105-110
MPH
> airplanes.
>
> Not to cast aspersions on Mr. Weick, but perhaps the reason he was so
quiet
> about it was that he was part of a system of deliberate 'marketing over
> truth.'
>
> When companies like Maule and Mooney started overstating numbers to the
> point where people were going to get killed running out of gas or
> rate-of-climb,
> it became clear that the POH's had to tell the truth, the whole truth,
and
> nothing
> but the truth. Well, sort of. In a new-style POH, I usually knock 5-10
> knots off
> their figure for flight planning purposes.
>
> Greg
>
>
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