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At 09:40 PM 12/13/2005, WRB wrote:
is it realistic to suggest that:

1. The 95+% of coupes operating with the A-65 and C-75-85 Continentals with compression ratios of 6.3:1, correctly timed, without significant cylinder chamber lead deposits (that would raise said ratio), and burning average fuel are capable of cylinder pressures high enough to endanger cylinders or induce actual "preignition/detonation" at their "high power levels"?

No. Nor is it realistic to assume that 95+% of coupes operating with the A-65 and C-75-85 Continentals with compression ratios of 6.3:1 are correctly timed, and are without significant cylinder chamber lead (or carbon) deposits. Also, it is important to distinguish between preignition and detonation. Preignition occurs when the air/fuel charge ignites before the spark event (or the spark event occurs prematurely). Deposits in the combustion chamber can create hot spots that then ignite the air/fuel mixture prematurely. Preignition can in turn cause detonation, which is when the air/fuel mixture explodes rather than burning smoothly. Detonation can destroy pistons in short order.


2. To infer by omission that deficiencies of single-cylinder sensing apply to multi-cylinder information (EGT and/or CHT)?

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to defend here. My statement about unbalanced intake charges is irrespective off ones EGT sensing system.


Can you reference any instances of engine damage on a coupe (or aircraft with the same engine/carburetor combination and similar performance) reasonably attributable to "misuse" of the mixture control?

No. But then it's hard to prove. Unless you count the student pilots who pull the mixture out, kill the engine and ultimately crash the aircraft. ;)

The issue is that above 70% or so power, the compression ratio coupled with the minimum grade of fuel results in a decreased margin of error and you may find that when leaned to maximum power, one cylinder is lean enough (still rich of peak, mind you), to produce enough heat and/or pressure to cause damage. I have seen instances of damage to cylinders on these engines, but, of course, when you ask the pilot what he did to cause it, the answer is always the same.

If so, do you personally consider such occurrence (or the "risk" thereof) to be of statistical significance to an Ercoupe owner/operator?

I cannot speculate on how an individual might use or miss use the mixture control, however, I can state that with a Stromberg carb, there is no benefit to leaning below 5000' (DA), no effect when leaning at idle, and no way to lean effectively during ground ops, so why bother?

(BTW, the Stromberg NAS-3 series does not have any sort of full throttle enrichment device, so that added safety net is not present)

Do you agree that judiciously applied carburetor heat can improve (reduce) the "normal" (rather high) mixture ratio spread between cylinders on our little Continentals?

Yes. The warmer air aids in atomization of the fuel. However, you then have an overall richer mixture, so what's the gain? It's beneficial during warm-up on cold days, but you have to balance that against the fact that you're feeding your engine unfiltered air...


As a"point of order", per the Continental Operator's Manual, Form X30012 Dec. '80, a pilot is advised to lean "...at altitudes of more than 5,000 feet above sea level..." and "Prior to takeoff from fields above 5000 feet elevation...". While I entirely agree these references SHOULD be with reference to "density altitude" (which can be MUCH lower in summer), in fact they are not.

Value added, no extra charge. The engine doesn't give a hoot what the physical altitude is. It only reacts to the effect, lower air density, which is proportional to density altitude. Then again, it really doesn't make a whole lot of difference which you use, either.

John Cooper
Skyport Services
PO Box 249
4996 Delaware Tnpk
Rensselaerville, NY 12147
518 797-3064
Fax 518 797-3865

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