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Lee,
 
I think there must be a missing part of this story somehow.  I just had a lenghty chat with our local FSDO manager.  He said absolutly not, in no way can they or do they destroy aircraft.  After the investigation is complete and FAA has no further use for the accident site in the investigation, it is returned back to whomever owns it...owner or insurance company.   He even pointed out how then the airworthy parts might eventually be used through salvage to help restore another wrecked aircraft and then even have a different data plate associated with those parts.  I guess in an investigation, if there is a need to get at a component of the aircraft that could be suspect in the cause of the accident, and additional disassembly is needed to access it, then further isolated destruction could be done.  My opinion is that something is missing or has been  improperly translated by others in the event you related.  roger
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Tim,
Don't know about all government agencies, but the FAA rep told the owner of the coupe I bought that it was HIS airplane until
HE released it.  The owner had no insurance on the plane at all, so am I to assume that some insurance company arbitrairly came
in and hired folks to cut it up?  No, it was the local fire department under the FAA rep's supervision.  It was sort of like a house
catching on fire, the fire chief telling the home owner that it was HIS house till HE released it then calling in a bull dozer to level the
house because the fire department isn't in the business of recovery.  That isn't the way to do business.
Lee B
 
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You have heard one persons experence and so now it has spread to "any goverment agency."  As a federal aviaiton accident investigator, who happens to own an Ercoupe, I can tell you that this is not true.  The federal government is not in the buisness of recovery.  The insurance company pays a crew to recover the wreckage.  They are the ones that are good about cutting off wings etc...
 
Tim 

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To all, It is sad to see the FAA or any Gov. agency deliberately destroy a persons private property. It shows a total disregard for individual rights. Too see that in America is alarming!! That would be like the state patrol hauling your car to the junk pile for a minor accident or maybe even a flat tire on the highway. Dick L.
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"Sad to see the FAA destroy a potential restorable airplane."
 
I missed the beginning of this thread. Can someone please enlighten me?
 
Is the FAA now out and destroys Ercoupes that are having sloshing compunds in their tanks?
 
Hartmut

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Lee  and Harry,
I can attest to the sloshing compond making a mess. I jusr recently purchased a coupe which someone ferried
back to NJ for me from Idaho.  I took it right in for an annual and  to check it out, guess what, the whole fuel
system was being clogged with sloshing compound. It wasn't in the header tank but it sure made a mess of
the crossover lines and fittings. It wouldn't allow the return to work properly. It was making the mechanic go
crazy because the tank kept overflowing. He also found an improper restrictor fitting on the fuel pump. Had the
tanks rebuilt by the Wrights and now all is ok. Don't mess around with loose sloshing compound for sure.
Bill
N2367H

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Lee,
 
Thanks for the update.
 
I see two possibilities you did not mention.
 
During an annual, an AD is required to remove the fuel pump cover, and inspect it for foreign material, water, and corrosion.
 
I am aware of several instance where the fuel pump failed after this inspection , simply because the mechanic did not torque the cover bolt as required in the AD....allowing the pump to suck in air around the cover, instead of fuel from the wing tanks. Often this results in a new, costly fuel pump, instead of simply applying proper torque to the 1/4 inch bolt.
 
Another possibility is Carburetter icing:
 
Older Continental engines are more prone to icing that Lycoming engines. And, most of our present pilots have been trained on Lycomings....never experienced any carb ice.
 
This is due to the design of the  intake pipes on Lycomings being routed thru the oil tank, giving a warmer air to the carburetter, thus less chance of ice buildup.
 
Yes, Lycomings can ice up, too.....and all proper procedures should be taught and applied to every flight....apply carb heat BEFORE closing the throttle.
 
Recently, the weather throughout the US has been very humid, and warm....setting up the ideal ice production situations.
 
I suspect several engine failures are simply due to this potential ice problem.
 
Yes, sloshing compounds can be a real problem, and should be investigated. Proper use of these compounds are safe. However some of the older compounds seem to be subject to delamination when using auto fuels...., and other failures may be due to improper cleaning of the tanks prior to sloshing, etc. Information suggests that alcohol additives to gasoline are a real problem...Of course, one is not supposed to be using auto fuel that contains alcohol !
 
Sad to see the FAA destroy a potential restorable airplane.
 
 
Harry Francis
N93530
Elliston, VA
 
 
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