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My IA / A&P signs off his own work. Never ever's been an issue. Eliacim > > I sign off my own work and have for years. > Let's ask the group. > Bill > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] TSO'd vs Non TSO'd instruments: another view > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:16:31 -0500 > > Bill, the IA I use says he cannot sign off on his own work. Is he > trying to give an AP work or maybe just uninformed? He has been an IA > for 20 yrs. Lee B On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:52:24 -0600 "WILLIAM BIGGS" > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Absolutly. > I was confused by John's comment "IA's can only inspect, they can't do any > actual work..." > I suspect he got tong-tied. As much as I hate it I have to work and > inspect. And yes, strange as it seems, I can write off my own work. > Bill > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [COUPERS-TECH] TSO'd vs Non TSO'd instruments: another view > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:13:22 -0600 (MDT) >>----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any >> advice in this forum.]---- >> >> >>John and all, >> >>I'm not trying to flame you here, but your information is not correct. >> >>An IA not only can, but in many cases, must perform the work. Also, an >>I.A. must hold an A&P since eligibilty for becoming an IA requires >> that: >> >>"The applicant must hold a current mechanic's >>certificate, with airframe and powerplant ratings, that has >>been in effect for at least three years. The applicant must >>have been actively engaged in maintaining certificated >>aircraft for at least the two-year period before applying." >> >> >>"PRIVILEGES OF AN IA. >>A. When exercising the privileges of an IA, the holder >>may: >> Inspect and approve for return to service major >>repairs and major alterations, if the work was done >>according to technical data approved by the >>Administrator >> Perform an annual inspection >> Perform or supervise a progressive inspection" >> >>(This is all straight out of 8300.10 CHG 12 Chapter 26 & 27.) >> >>Just thought this needed to be cleared up. >> >>Tom >> >> >> >> >> >> > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following >> any >> > advice in this forum.]---- >> > >> > >> >> My understanding is that work on a non structural panel, such as >> >> installing radios, requires only a log book entry and recording of >> the >> >> new weight and balance data by an AI. >> > >> > If there's no 337 involved, an IA is not necessary. (In fact, >> technically >> > an IA cannot sign it off. An A&P is required. Since most if not >> all IA's >> > are also A&P's, it's pretty much a semantic issue, but the signer >> must >> > sign >> > it off as an A&P.) IA's can only inspect, they can't do any >> actual >> > work... >> > ;) >> > >> > John Cooper, A&P >> > >> > Skyport Services >> > >> > PO Box 249 >> > >> > 4996 Delaware Tnpk >> > >> > Rensselaerville, NY 12147 >> > >> > 518 797-3064 >> > >> > Fax 518 797-3865 >> > >> > www.skyportservices.net >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Dan Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 7:29 AM >> >> To: Ctech >> >> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] TSO'd vs Non TSO'd instruments: another >> view >> >> >> >> ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following >> >> any >> >> advice in this forum.]---- >> >> >> >> >> >> I think some of the confusion may be between the work that the >> aircraft >> >> owner can do as preventative maintenance, the work that an AI can >> sign >> >> off with a log book entry as a minor change, and the major work that >> >> requires a 337 or FAA field approval. This is a seperate issue from >> the >> >> TSO vs non TSO'd instruments. >> >> >> >> My understanding is that work on a non structural panel, such as >> >> installing radios, requires only a log book entry and recording of >> the >> >> new weight and balance data by an AI. >> >> >> >> Dan Brown >> >> >> >> >> >> John Roach wrote: >> >> >> >> > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before >> following >> >> > any advice in this forum.]---- >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Lynn. >> >> > Another view of the TSO puzzle from Bill Biggs. See below >> >> > >> >> > John Roach >> >> > N 2427H >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Answers Re: TSO/Non-TSO >> >> > >> >> > WILLIAM BIGGS >> >> > Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:08:23 -0800 >> >> > >> >> > "5) You may not even need a 337. Those forms address the >> >> > installation process, NOT the radio itself, and are only needed at >> all >> >> > IF the installation involves a "major structural change." Putting >> the >> >> > radio into an existing hole, or hanging it beneath the panel does >> NOT >> >> > need a 337. Similarly, if you're putting a new antenna into an >> >> > existing antenna mount location, its not a "major structural >> change," >> >> > therefore no 337 needed. " >> >> > >> >> > Not true. Example: If you change from your cessna radio to a >> Michael. >> >> > It goes in exactly the same location but we all know they require a >> >> > 337. Hanging an additional radio beneath the panel constitutes a >> >> > change in weight and ballance however small and must be recorded. >> >> > >> >> > 337s now require a provision for "continued airworthiness." >> Anything >> >> > that is not in the airframe or engine specifications that is added >> or >> >> > changed constitutes a major alteration unless specifically excluded >> in >> >> > part 43.1. >> >> > >> >> > The following is considered preventative maint and is allowed but >> only >> >> > of the EXACT type: >> >> > >> >> > (31) Removing and replacing self-contained, front instrument >> >> > panel-mounted navigation and communication devices that employ >> >> > tray-mounted connectors that connect the unit when the unit is >> >> > installed into the instrument panel, (excluding automatic flight >> >> > control systems, transponders, and microwave frequency distance >> >> > measuring equipment (DME)). The approved unit must be >> >> > designed to be readily and repeatedly removed and replaced, and >> >> > pertinent instructions must be provided. Prior to the unit's >> intended >> >> > use, and operational check must be performed in accordance with the >> >> > applicable sections of part 91 of this chapter. >> >> > (32) Updating self-contained, front instrument panel-mounted Air >> >> > Traffic Control (ATC) navigational software data bases (excluding >> >> > those of automatic flight control systems, transponders, and >> microwave >> >> > frequency distance measuring equipment (DME)) provided no >> disassembly >> >> > of the unit is required and pertinent instructions are provided. >> Prior >> >> > to the unit's intended use, an operational check must be performed >> in >> >> > accordance with applicable sections of part 91 of this chapter. >> >> > >> >> > Appendix A >> >> > >> >> > Sec. A43.1 >> >> > >> >> > (a) /Major alterations/-- >> >> > (1) /Airframe major alterations./ Alterations of the following >> parts >> >> > and alterations of the following types, _when not listed in the >> >> > aircraft specifications issued by the FAA_, are airframe major >> >> > alterations: >> >> > >> >> > Bill >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before >> following >> >> >> any advice in this forum.]---- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hey Gang: Some time ago we had a discussion about TSO'd and non >> >> >> TSO'd instrument requirements. As I remember, one of our group >> came >> >> >> up with the FAA paragraph's that specifically spelled out the use >> of >> >> >> those items. I saved the message, but unfortunately for me, my >> >> >> computer bombed last fall, and I lost all of the saved messages >> >> >> before then. >> >> >> I have reviewed most of last years Tech messages, and did not >> >> >> find what I was looking for. Does anyone have the answer? I know >> >> >> there was considerable discussion about radios. but I am >> specifically >> >> >> concerned about instruments. >> >> >> Lynn >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> - >> >> >> AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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