Syd, Let me know what I can do. I am sure I can answer for Woody also. I did just receive a reply from Russ. The cheapest rate he came up with was at the Marriott of $79 and they needed to guaranty 80 attendees. At those numbers I can see his problem but it did not take Woody long to find $56 and no guaranty.
Kevin1 --- In [email protected], Syd Cohen <sydl...@...> wrote: > > Al, thank you for your courtesy. I appreciate it. Your observations > about why the event is not going as planned are exactly correct. Russ > and Roger didn't go to Dayton until the EOC membership voted their > choice of locations (they probably could have done it a few months > sooner, though) and their decision to cancel was made too late for > publication in the January Coupe Capers. > > Kevin, if the Board of Directors votes in favor of the Dayton > Nationals, will you be an integral part of it? > > Syd > > > > On Jan 31, 2009, at 9:47 PM, Al Demarzo wrote: > > > > > Out of respect for Syd, I'll not break my promise and mention any > > EOC shortcomings. > > > > If you want a better organization you need to step up and give it a > > shot, as organizations are only as good as the people involved. A > > National is a huge undertaking and to try to put it together in 6 > > months just adds to undue pressure. If the club isn't doing what > > you need it to do for you, toss your hat in but realize that the job > > requires that you work for everyone, not just for the small boys club. > > > > There's a lot of reasons why this event isn't going as planned, so > > lets just examine a few. > > > > Location? > > Dayton is great, lots of coupers in the surrounding states and > > plenty to do. How long will you fly to go to a national? 5, 6, 7 > > maybe 8 hours? > > > > Dates? > > I don't even know when it will be held, so I can't comment, but > > weather is always a factor, as are the other current events in your > > life. > > > > Planning? > > Marketing should also be lumped into this. As I said, there's a lot > > tasked to the hosts. Someone get tired or frustrated at something? > > It's pretty easy, but by this time, activities and locations of > > amenities should be set in stone. Huge undertaking even if only 25 > > people were to show up. > > > > Pricing? > > Well, the economy sucks right now, so it may be a factor. For me > > Oshkosh with the Bonanzas takes up my time, so doing two events on > > top of each other is tough. The club needs to get sponsors to pick > > up the burden or it'll only be a little get together. Univair, > > Skyport, Alpha, Vernon and anyone else making a buck from Ercoupers > > should all recognize the importance to their business and lend a > > hand - somehow. That's where it takes PEOPLE. One or two guys > > CAN'T do this alone. Our B2OSH has about 30 staffers and everyone > > has a job to do. I take care of the flight shirts, everything from > > securing a sponsor to recommending the artwork, commissioning the > > artwork, facilitating the manufacture of the T shirts to shipping > > and handing them out at the arrival party. Takes me no less than 6 > > months just for the shirts. We have safety people, we have arrival > > people, we have formation volunteers (I do that, too), we have > > dinner people, we have raffle people ($30,000 in prizes given away > > last year) and a load more. Sure it's a bigger deal than we are > > speaking about here, but the lesson is that there's no room for > > kings or the anal retentive types when planning any event. It does > > require a leader, though. > > > > Kudos to the boys up in the Dayton area that stepped up to the > > plate, I'm glad you did and don't blame you for being pissed. The > > directors alone can't handle this by themselves, they need people to > > make this party happen. Get involved and if you don't like what > > goes on, do something about it, you can't leave it up to the other > > guy. Be a cheerleader! Make folks WANT to get out and fly to your > > soiree! This can still be done and if you guys get together, > > consider letting the EOC give their award, then if you care, work to > > bring it into the 21st Century. If you don't care, then don't be > > disgusted. > > > > Al, Biting My Friggin' Lip, DeMarzo > > > > Visit the Ercoupe Swap Page > > Free, Easy and No Membership Required > > http://www.ercoupeowners.com/swap/swapbook.htm > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: kgassert > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:12 PM > > Subject: [ercoupe-tech] Re: Dayton - The Saga Continues > > > > Really, I have to agree, since it is not an EOC event. I am a bit > > peeved at the EOC tonight. In the December Coupe Capers the location > > and tentative dates and of the convention were announced and it was > > stated that it would be confirmed in January. January is now over and > > the January Coupe Caper is posted but there is no mention of the > > convention in it. Apparently we don't deserve the courtesy of an > > explanation and have to hear about this through the grape vine. I > > will be there to meet anyone who shows up and we will go to the > > museum, do some flyout and have a flyout/cookout at my hangar and > > play it by ear. As for the EOC, I also have my renewal sitting on my > > desk. Can someone give me a good reason to renew? I have been a > > member for over 20 years, including some years I did not own and > > Ercoupe. In those over 20 years I only went to two national > > conventions but I was happy to support them with my dues. I'm kind of > > pissed so maybe I should just delete this. > > > > Kevin, crap I am turning into Al, 1--- In ercoupe- > > [email protected], thesumak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iâm with Larry on this. > > > If the EOC has chosen to scratch the convention this year, I see no > > > reason to maintain any level of officialdom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry said: Let's just make this a low-pressure gathering. > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Syd said: Well, we should have an Awards Banquet > > > > > > > > > > > >
