Whooops, that was $65 for the Holiday Inn not $56. Kevin1
--- In [email protected], "kgassert" <kgass...@...> wrote: > > Syd, > > Let me know what I can do. I am sure I can answer for Woody also. I > did just receive a reply from Russ. The cheapest rate he came up with > was at the Marriott of $79 and they needed to guaranty 80 attendees. > At those numbers I can see his problem but it did not take Woody long > to find $56 and no guaranty. > > Kevin1 > > --- In [email protected], Syd Cohen <sydlois@> wrote: > > > > Al, thank you for your courtesy. I appreciate it. Your > observations > > about why the event is not going as planned are exactly correct. > Russ > > and Roger didn't go to Dayton until the EOC membership voted their > > choice of locations (they probably could have done it a few months > > sooner, though) and their decision to cancel was made too late for > > publication in the January Coupe Capers. > > > > Kevin, if the Board of Directors votes in favor of the Dayton > > Nationals, will you be an integral part of it? > > > > Syd > > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2009, at 9:47 PM, Al Demarzo wrote: > > > > > > > > Out of respect for Syd, I'll not break my promise and mention > any > > > EOC shortcomings. > > > > > > If you want a better organization you need to step up and give it > a > > > shot, as organizations are only as good as the people involved. > A > > > National is a huge undertaking and to try to put it together in > 6 > > > months just adds to undue pressure. If the club isn't doing > what > > > you need it to do for you, toss your hat in but realize that the > job > > > requires that you work for everyone, not just for the small boys > club. > > > > > > There's a lot of reasons why this event isn't going as planned, > so > > > lets just examine a few. > > > > > > Location? > > > Dayton is great, lots of coupers in the surrounding states and > > > plenty to do. How long will you fly to go to a national? 5, 6, > 7 > > > maybe 8 hours? > > > > > > Dates? > > > I don't even know when it will be held, so I can't comment, but > > > weather is always a factor, as are the other current events in > your > > > life. > > > > > > Planning? > > > Marketing should also be lumped into this. As I said, there's a > lot > > > tasked to the hosts. Someone get tired or frustrated at > something? > > > It's pretty easy, but by this time, activities and locations of > > > amenities should be set in stone. Huge undertaking even if only > 25 > > > people were to show up. > > > > > > Pricing? > > > Well, the economy sucks right now, so it may be a factor. For > me > > > Oshkosh with the Bonanzas takes up my time, so doing two events > on > > > top of each other is tough. The club needs to get sponsors to > pick > > > up the burden or it'll only be a little get together. Univair, > > > Skyport, Alpha, Vernon and anyone else making a buck from > Ercoupers > > > should all recognize the importance to their business and lend a > > > hand - somehow. That's where it takes PEOPLE. One or two guys > > > CAN'T do this alone. Our B2OSH has about 30 staffers and > everyone > > > has a job to do. I take care of the flight shirts, everything > from > > > securing a sponsor to recommending the artwork, commissioning > the > > > artwork, facilitating the manufacture of the T shirts to > shipping > > > and handing them out at the arrival party. Takes me no less than > 6 > > > months just for the shirts. We have safety people, we have > arrival > > > people, we have formation volunteers (I do that, too), we have > > > dinner people, we have raffle people ($30,000 in prizes given > away > > > last year) and a load more. Sure it's a bigger deal than we are > > > speaking about here, but the lesson is that there's no room for > > > kings or the anal retentive types when planning any event. It > does > > > require a leader, though. > > > > > > Kudos to the boys up in the Dayton area that stepped up to the > > > plate, I'm glad you did and don't blame you for being pissed. > The > > > directors alone can't handle this by themselves, they need people > to > > > make this party happen. Get involved and if you don't like what > > > goes on, do something about it, you can't leave it up to the > other > > > guy. Be a cheerleader! Make folks WANT to get out and fly to > your > > > soiree! This can still be done and if you guys get together, > > > consider letting the EOC give their award, then if you care, work > to > > > bring it into the 21st Century. If you don't care, then don't > be > > > disgusted. > > > > > > Al, Biting My Friggin' Lip, DeMarzo > > > > > > Visit the Ercoupe Swap Page > > > Free, Easy and No Membership Required > > > http://www.ercoupeowners.com/swap/swapbook.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: kgassert > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:12 PM > > > Subject: [ercoupe-tech] Re: Dayton - The Saga Continues > > > > > > Really, I have to agree, since it is not an EOC event. I am a bit > > > peeved at the EOC tonight. In the December Coupe Capers the > location > > > and tentative dates and of the convention were announced and it > was > > > stated that it would be confirmed in January. January is now over > and > > > the January Coupe Caper is posted but there is no mention of the > > > convention in it. Apparently we don't deserve the courtesy of an > > > explanation and have to hear about this through the grape vine. I > > > will be there to meet anyone who shows up and we will go to the > > > museum, do some flyout and have a flyout/cookout at my hangar and > > > play it by ear. As for the EOC, I also have my renewal sitting on > my > > > desk. Can someone give me a good reason to renew? I have been a > > > member for over 20 years, including some years I did not own and > > > Ercoupe. In those over 20 years I only went to two national > > > conventions but I was happy to support them with my dues. I'm > kind of > > > pissed so maybe I should just delete this. > > > > > > Kevin, crap I am turning into Al, 1--- In ercoupe- > > > [email protected], thesumak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iâm with Larry on this. > > > > If the EOC has chosen to scratch the convention this year, I > see no > > > > reason to maintain any level of officialdom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry said: Let's just make this a low-pressure gathering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Syd said: Well, we should have an Awards Banquet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
