John, you must have a newer coupe.My 1946 has the trim lever on the left side of the plane and when you move the lever forward , it pulls the wire forward also. The moment of angle is the same . Yours apparently uses a fulcrum between the knob and wire.
--- On Tue, 7/28/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [ercoupe-tech] Second Flight To: "Nick King" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 12:28 AM Nick: I'm a little fuzzy on the details, by I'm certain that is wrong. The lever, IIRC, is pivoted in the middle. The knob is on one end and the wire attaches to the other end, The wire moves in the oposite direction from the knob. Also, there is a (required) placard that says "nose up--- nose down". Get it checked out by someone who knows... John -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [ercoupe-tech] Second Flight From: Nick King <[email protected]> Date: Sun, July 26, 2009 3:18 pm To: John Cooper <[email protected]> No , when I move my lever forward it pulls the wire forward which moves the tab down ,which moves the elevator up which makes the plane fly up ( raises the nose. ) I just now understand all that. Up is down......Down is up............and who's on first. Holy Moly !! --- On Sun, 7/26/09, John Cooper <[email protected]> wrote: From: John Cooper <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [ercoupe-tech] Second Flight To: "'Nick King'" <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 2:50 PM #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 _filtered #yiv311176431 {font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} #yiv975489921 #wmMessage _filtered #yiv311176431 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} #yiv975489921 #wmMessage _filtered #yiv311176431 {font-family:Verdana;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} #yiv975489921 #wmMessage _filtered #yiv311176431 {panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 #yiv311176431 p.MsoNormal, #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 li.MsoNormal, #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 div.MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";} #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 a:link, #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 a:visited, #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";} #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 p.ad, #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 li.ad, #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 div.ad {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";} #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 p.ad1, #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 li.ad1, #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 div.ad1 {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";} #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 span.EmailStyle20 {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} #yiv975489921 #wmMessage _filtered #yiv311176431 {margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} #yiv975489921 #wmMessage #yiv311176431 div.Section1 {} >I have never moved it down (which would be pushing the lever forward in the >cockpit ) Huh? Isn’t that backwards? John Cooper Skyport Services www.skyportservices.net From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nick King Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:13 PM To: Harry L. Francis Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Second Flight OK , I might have read something in your reply that hits the nail on the head. Did I understand you to say that........when the trim tab on the elevator is moved DOWN , it makes the nose go up ? If that were right that would solve it. I have never moved it down (which would be pushing the lever forward in the cockpit ).It was siezed when I purchased it and after fixing the cable I was experiencing the nose down problem .I have never flown with the tab lower than the stop.I thought that the airplane would nose over more as you moved the trim tab lower. --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Harry L. Francis <[email protected]> wrote: From: Harry L. Francis <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Second Flight To: "Nick King" <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 6:08 PM Nick, Carefully re-read Lyn's msg... The trim tab must move downward to lift the elevator upward.. S be careful to observe that when the trim lever is in the full up position, the trim tab is in the full 45-60 degree downward position. Fly Safe - have Fun HArry --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Nick King <[email protected]> wrote: From: Nick King <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Second Flight To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 8:24 PM My cable is alright and I just lubed it. I did notice that the stop for the trim tab does'nt seem te allow for any up trim . With the trim in the full up position the tab is level with the elevator. Should'nt there be some travel up. If so ,how much and how do I adjust it . Could the stop be the wrong one. --- On Fri, 7/24/09, iflysmo...@aol. com <iflysmo...@aol. com> wrote: From: iflysmo...@aol. com <iflysmo...@aol. com> Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Second Flight To: nick.king88@ yahoo.com, ercoupe-tech@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:23 PM Hey Nick: The first thing to do is to make sure that the trim tab is moving through its full amount of travel. Push the trim control handle to the full forward position and check that the tab is level with the elevator. Then pull the trim control handle to the full aft position and check that the tab is now down about 60 degrees down (more than 45). If the tab movements comply approximately with those numbers, double check your weight and balance to make certain that the empty CG is within the 25.2 to 25.8 inches prescribed in the TCDS. If those are both in sink, look at the trailing edge of the elevator. If it is bent down, this adds additional down trim and may need to be changed. You will need to fly the airplane again. With the trim control full aft, you should be able to glide at approximately 70 MPH ( a little less is just fine) I am assuming you will find that most likely the trim tab is not operating through its full range. This is generally caused by corrosion in the trim wire housing inside the horizontal stabilizer. I have found this on most of the Ercoupes I have worked on. Some I was able to loosen it up by spraying a good dose of liquid wrench, followed by lots of WD-40 or other similar penetrating lubricant, on as much of the wire housing I could access by removing the tail cone. Others required removal of the housing and replacement (I would usually replace the trim wire and housing if I had to go to these efforts). You may also be able to lubricate the wire by loosening its attachment at both ends and pulling it out about 3 feet. Then applying light grease to the wire before pushing it back into place and re fastening it. Lynn Nelsen in a message dated 7/24/2009 3:43:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nick.king88@ yahoo.com writes: Wow ! What a glorious morning and wonderful flight.72 degrees light overcast , clear as a bell.This was the first time I got to fly the coupe since I flew her home on a wing and a prayer . Been working on her for 4 months.ASI is about 30 mph high but that will get changed. My Garmin 196 was right on. The little coupe flew majestically. I tell people she is the Metropolitan of the skys.Us old guys remember that little car. I love flying with an open cockpit. I do have one major concern .!! With the trim all the way in ( tab up against stop ) cruise speed , level flight , I can let go of the yoke and she DIVES like a STUKKA. What tha......... .That aint right!!!!!!! ! What can it be ???? How do I fix it? A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!
