John,

  The skirts above and below the (temporary) fiberglass-wound tank on your
vehicle appear to be carbon fiber, generally much stiffer than fiberglass.
When you proof-test the tank, watch out for damage to the glue bond between
them.  This was a problem with the Roton ATV 'glass tanks where bonded to
carbon.  The 'glass tank will swell a not-insignificant amount under
pressure, and the carbon won't want to stretch accordingly.  The adhesive
between them will be under a great deal of shear stress.  You might even
split a skirt end.

  It looks like it's too late now, but creating multiple isolated "fingers"
by cutting several length-wise slots into the skirts is one solution.  An
adhesive with some flexibility would also help.

Ken Doyle

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Carmack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [ERPS] Armadillo March 8


> At 07:38 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Consider the possibility that the epoxy may crack under multiple
> >pressure cycles.  The aluminum parts may have more yield than
> >the epoxy/fiber parts.  Clean and treat the metal parts carefully
> >where the epoxy/fiber bonds to it.  I'd take one unit to multiple
> >cycles and see where failure occurs (if it happens).  Consider this
> >a 'fatigue life' on the second unit.  Why glass filled?  You trying to
> >save mass? ;->  Wouldn't the unfilled stuff be stronger?
> >
> >Dan
>
> If you are ever bridging much of a gap or making a filet, you need to add
> some kind of fibers to epoxy.  We use cotton flox for most things, as it
is
> nice and easy to work with, but chopped glass fiber is stronger.  Chopped
> carbon fibers are even stronger, but you shouldn't use carbon fibers in
> contact with aluminum, because you get galvanic corrosion.
>
> John Carmack
>
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