On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Brendan Eich <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 16, 2011, at 9:09 AM, David Bruant wrote: > > Le 16/06/2011 17:46, Mark S. Miller a écrit : > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 8:29 AM, David Bruant <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> The question raised by Mark is: "should objects with noticeable custom >> internal method (array, host objects, proxies...) be allowed to prentend >> having data property even if some logic is triggered under the hood?". >> > > Almost, and thanks for trying to summarize. My question is > > "Should ... be allowed to pretend having a *non-configurable* data > property ...?" > > A perfectly fine answer to the array.length issue is to have length be a > configurable data property so long as it needs to operate in a magical > manner. For all such problematic magical behavior, we should likewise report > the property as configurable so long as it needs to operate in a magical > manner. > > Currently, the "configurable" attributes has two meanings. At the same time > it tells who whether or not you can delete the property and whether or not > you can reconfigure (call to Object.defineProperty) your property. If I > understand well, you would like it also to tell whether the property is > magical or not. > > > Implementations need the no-delete aspect. We should not change that for > Array length. > > Freezing length is another use-case not to break, of course. No one > disagrees there (we just have a SpiderMonkey bug to fix). > > > If we are at a point where we'd break Object.defineProperty return values, > shouldn't we add new keywords rather than adding semantics to current > attribute keywords? > > > We should have no more attribute "keywords" in property descriptors than we > need to model the semantics we wish to reflect on via Object.* APIs and > intercede in via proxies. Do we really want to split "DontDelete" back out > of "configurable"? > We do not. We need merely specify that (a non-frozen) array.length is configurable but that arrays refuse to delete them. This is just part of the magical length behavior provided by arrays, with the virtues that it can be faithfully emulated by proxies. > > /be > -- Cheers, --MarkM
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