On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Mark S. Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > Unfortunately, just as Yehuda was not there in September and did not agree > to the consensus then, Andreas was not there on Thursday of January and > (above in this thread) does not agree to that consensus. This indicates a > different failure mode we should be concerned about. Not everyone is at > every meeting. If anyone absent from any meeting can veto the hard-won > consensus achieved by those who did attend, it is hard to see how to make > progress. OTOH, without this dynamic, we might proceed despite strongly held > objections, which really is not consensus. Only our insistence on true > consensus has saved us from prior disasters like ES4. I really don't know > what to do about this.
The W3C treats in-person consensus as only a weak consensus (at least, in most working groups, most of the time). Async consensus is the only one that's worthwhile, because it avoids problems like this, plus allows people more time to think through issues than they might get when put on the spot during a meeting. Note, though, that you can still have consensus *and* strong objections. Design-by-committee is still a failure mode to be avoided. ~TJ _______________________________________________ es-discuss mailing list [email protected] https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/es-discuss
