On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Kevin Smith <zenpars...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There's a difference between "ZOMG WORKING IN SECRET" and talking to >> people and working on something privately that is still being fleshed out. >> > > Hmmm... In many other circles "talking to people and working on > something" doesn't entail working in private. I've witnessed a repeated > unwillingness to engage es-discuss or the broader community on some topics > over the last year or two. Sorry to have to put it that way, and no > disrespect, but that's how it is. : / > If you're talking about modules, I hardly think that creating a reasonable fidelity transpiler in public, personally using it in my own (somewhat popular) open source projects, and working with the wider open source community qualifies as an unwillingness to engage. Indeed, the vast majority of the changes to the module syntax over the past year have come from direct feedback from community members who were attempting to use the transpiler, and other community members who have built polyfills of other parts of the system. If you're talking about long, endless threads on es-discuss mostly rehashing the same topics over and over again, largely by people without usage experience, I would suggest that "es-discuss" is not the equivalent of "the broader community". (which is not to say that feedback from es-discuss is ignored, just that there reaches a point where the salient points have already been made and are simply being rehashed). Different people work in different ways. Personally, I try to give people working on standards the benefit of the doubt, especially at early stages when spec champions are still largely gathering feedback from people. You may find it useful to present drafts of ongoing work while still deep in the information gathering phase, but not everyone works that way. A bit of empathy would go a long way here.
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