On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:18 PM, David Pollak <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Gianugo Rabellino < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 6:54 PM, David Pollak >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz >> > <[email protected]>wrote: >> > I expect real analysis and work on the part of the ASF. This is the kind >> of >> > value that the ESME project needs. Are my expectations way out of line? >> >> Yes. What you can expect from the ASF (the project mentors, actually), >> on top of logistics and legal, is pull, not push. Ask questions, get >> answers. Mentors' mileage may vary, but we are here to steward and >> advise, not to have a (pro)active role. Unless we want, as volunteers, >> do so. >> >> That's a realistic expectation. Now, if you want to get more, you >> might want to show some of you "experience in building open source >> communities" and steer clear from bossing us. > > > Okay... this series of posts from you is the first in the ESME community.
Do your homework, next time? http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg00617.html I would also note that the role of a mentor is staying out of the way as much as possible, jumping in only when there is a chance of lines being crossed? > And... you started off by being rather obnoxious to me. Now you're accusing > me of bossing. Hey - I didn't quite started it. It was you throwing mud on your blog first, then asking for this, and that and that again from mentors > In terms of my experience building communities, I helped > build the NextStep community in the early 90's. I build the Mesa community > (50K users strong) and Mesa still runs as a code base today and there are > still active users. More recently, I helped build the Scala community and I > have built the Lift community. I have also participated in the ESME > community for going on 10 months now and contributed > 50% of the code in > the code base. I was also the one that made the introduction for the ESME > community to the ASF. Good for you. Do you really want this to degenerate into a "mine is longer than yours" fight? I couldn't care less about your track record - I will still call Bovine Stercus any time I feel the stink, and both your blog post and your unrealistic expectations are clearly in that direction. Have fun, -- Gianugo Rabellino M: +44 779 5364 932 / +39 389 44 26 846 Sourcesense - making sense of Open Source: http://www.sourcesense.com
