Could we please stop this discussion now and refocus on how we can
build a stronger community around ESME instead?
Some of us, me included, might have had expectations on what ASF could
do for us in terms of building a community.
The ASF tag hasn't helped me as much as I thought it would, I still
meet developers/managers who haven't even heard of the Apache
Foundation!
It has taken me three presentations in my company alone just to
explain to them what we are doing, and why they should free up time
and money for me to work on ESME. (which they have agreed to) Coming
from the enterprise world, building an open source community has
definitely not been as easy as I thought it would be, not quite sure
where to start since I cannot start with committing code.
David told the group some months ago he wouldn't be able to lead ESME
any longer, so his (low) level of contribution was expected.
At the same time I knew leading a project like this without developers
would be tough, so I wanted to take it easy for a while to see if
David would be able to free some time for ESME again once the book was
finished.
Hope there is a way we can all work *together* on this again..
/Anne
On 3. mai. 2009, at 20.25, Gianugo Rabellino wrote:
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:18 PM, David Pollak
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Gianugo Rabellino <
[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 6:54 PM, David Pollak
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<[email protected]>wrote:
I expect real analysis and work on the part of the ASF. This is
the kind
of
value that the ESME project needs. Are my expectations way out
of line?
Yes. What you can expect from the ASF (the project mentors,
actually),
on top of logistics and legal, is pull, not push. Ask questions, get
answers. Mentors' mileage may vary, but we are here to steward and
advise, not to have a (pro)active role. Unless we want, as
volunteers,
do so.
That's a realistic expectation. Now, if you want to get more, you
might want to show some of you "experience in building open source
communities" and steer clear from bossing us.
Okay... this series of posts from you is the first in the ESME
community.
Do your homework, next time?
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
msg00617.html
I would also note that the role of a mentor is staying out of the way
as much as possible, jumping in only when there is a chance of lines
being crossed?
And... you started off by being rather obnoxious to me. Now you're
accusing
me of bossing.
Hey - I didn't quite started it. It was you throwing mud on your blog
first, then asking for this, and that and that again from mentors
In terms of my experience building communities, I helped
build the NextStep community in the early 90's. I build the Mesa
community
(50K users strong) and Mesa still runs as a code base today and
there are
still active users. More recently, I helped build the Scala
community and I
have built the Lift community. I have also participated in the ESME
community for going on 10 months now and contributed > 50% of the
code in
the code base. I was also the one that made the introduction for
the ESME
community to the ASF.
Good for you. Do you really want this to degenerate into a "mine is
longer than yours" fight? I couldn't care less about your track record
- I will still call Bovine Stercus any time I feel the stink, and both
your blog post and your unrealistic expectations are clearly in that
direction.
Have fun,
--
Gianugo Rabellino
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