Woulda been easier to just say "Try out db.etree.org."

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On Saturday, February 23, 2002, at 10:10 PM, Tom P. Warren wrote:

> Alan -
>
> Some members of ANY given group will not be able to exhibit their most
> efficacious interpersonal-relationship skills by virtue of their written
> capacity in responses or, gasp! -even flames to a web list.  Bearing
> this in mind, there is an instinctual response that can be observed in
> the degree of commitment in their vehemence (or insight) of comment to
> said list(s) that is clearly visible to any outsider (i.e., newby).
>
> I would humbly suggest you contact someone who can walk you through
> setting up a webpage, instead of knocking on the 1,000 + wrong door(s)
> of an obvious public of music-traders (although there may be
> webpage-proficient members of that list in their own right, and I'm sure
> there are).
>
> I'm concerned that there is a public apprehension of a -mostly
> benevolent and helpful- online music-trading community that is generally
> regarded as one who observes a "newbie" policy of "shut the fuck up" and
> "suffer on their own" -clearly, this is a negative regard.  And, for the
> record, this has not been (overall) my experience with advice/help on
> either the smegs or etree list.
>
> I -for one- grow tired of reading about newby-this, newby-that, even
> though I am STILL a newby.
>
> I run my own server, it's not the best one out there.
>
> I read posts that look interesting, mayhaps that can offer some insight
> to my current conundrum, and when I need help beyond that, I contact
> someone -off list!
>
> Courtesy and good manners go a long way.  Thank you's and please's have
> gotten me more help than (even mildy-perceived) rants.  And I've sent my
> share of those in too.
>
> Alan, want to build a webpage?  I assume you can get in contact with
> people with whom you FTP, right?  Well, start by asking there.  Nothing
> wrong with a general cry 'help,' but everything in moderation right?
> Ask for help, cut the shots, it'll get you more.
>
> The desire to get 'trading-capable' and the impetus to act on
> accomplishing that goal, is a LONG road.  I've been working on it for a
> couple of months now, and I don't even HAVE a list.  Don't need one.
>
> Need to chat more, send me a response.  I'll be glad to talk to you,
> even put you in contact with some good (list(s)) people.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> 'till then.  I mean, at least you're reading the FAQ and help pages
> -that's a START.
>
> Tom
>
> Willing to gather what another man might spill?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Alan Croft
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 10:39 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [etree] Stupid Fucking Newbie
>
> OK.  I read the whole introduction pages for newbies, checked out the
> FAQ's,
> and even tried to get some help in the chat room, but nobody would help
> me
> to understand how to set up a page with a list of my shows (few as they
> may
> be).  It seems that everyone in etree has a web page with a list of
> their
> shit, yet I can't find the info on it at all.  I realize that I am
> setting
> myself up for tons of ridicule from most of the etree people who think
> that
> newbies should suffer on their own and shut the fuck up, but I am
> praying
> for just one KIND person to give me a link, a point in the right
> direction,
> or some information on how to do this.  Thank you to those that help,
> and I
> am sorry for burdening the rest of you with my existence.
>
> Have a Grateful Day,
> Alan
>
> "Once in a while, you get shown the light, in the strangest of places,
> if
> you look at it right."
>
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