On 10 May 2000, at 17:40, James Kaplan KG7FU wrote:

> I can't button my (lip) finger on thise one!
> 
> a) Corvallis is home of OSU, notorious underpayers and former home of
> one of H-P's largest non Palo Alto facilities. IE: It's a relatoively
> depressed area, and being a college town they think they can buy
> know-nothing admins for $8/hr.

That's funny-- my first job was in Corvallis.  I started 2 years ago at 
$11 an hour, plus, as I said, full bennies.

> b) You should disband your union. Unions are designed to protect the
> moron gene pool.

If it wasn't for unions, my 11-year-old would probably be working 60-
hour weeks in something considerably worse than one of Phil "The 
Whiner" Knight's sweat shops.  

Furthermore, my dad was what I'd guess you'd call a telephony 
manger at Southwestern Bell.  He wasn't union, but he'd started as 
a union telephone lineman.  Those union educational programs 
helped him become an engineer, and the quality of his work got 
him into pretty high-level management.  He *always* supported the 
union.  Why?  As he told me, "your salary and benefits are always 
keyed to what they can get away with paying line workers.  They 
bust the unions and everyone who works for a living is going to feel 
the consequences."

$8 an hour, eh?  Seems like what he said is coming true.  20 years 
ago, when you could make $14/ hr. in the mills around here, real 
wages were a lot higher in this area.

BTW, I know a number of *extremely* good and dedicated union IT 
folx who would take some pretty serious offense at your crack 
about the moron gene pool.

Cheers,
Dennis   
"Custard pies are a sort of esperanto: a  universal language." 
                     --Noel Godin  

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