just rhetorical.  i wasn't really expecting answers nor was i fishing for
them.  i went overboard.

i like the single mailing list.  unfortunately, people get passionate about
their beliefs and feelings get hurt.  one thing we (actually, some of us...)
need to do is to tone down our passionate responses and not take everything
so seriously or personally.  everybody has their own beliefs and everybody
thinks that they are right.

another problem i feel we (as a group) have is lack of direction.  it looks
like seth is planning on changing that.  i hope it works.  i'd like to
contribute, but sometimes i don't feel knowledgeable enough, or have enough
interest in a project to see it through, or don't feel i have enough time to
spend working with the LUG.  if we have a definite direction and some
leadership, things may turn out better.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 9:06 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [EUG-LUG:144] RE: Dexter's Query (was Fry's)
> 
> 
> Justin Bengtson wrote:
> 
> > who drops offenders?  what is considered a huge enough 
> offense to drop
> > someone from the list?  what is considered "appropriate" 
> behavior?  would
> > the list admin even CONSIDER dropping such favorites as 
> Seth, Patrick, KBob,
> > or any of the other long-time subscribees for inappropriate 
> behavior?  (no
> > offense given, it's just an example.  i would hate to see 
> them leave.)
> > 
> > if i express an opinion or share a life experience and am 
> later shot down,
> > flamed, whatever, because what i am talking about/promoting 
> is basically
> > anathema, or perceived of as, to our *nix community, who is 
> using the
> > in-appropriate behavior?
> 
> I'm not sure whether these questions are rhetorical or you want an
> answer.  But I think the answer, in any case, is, "It depends."
> Rather than try to preformulate a policy document for acceptable use
> of the mailing list that covers all hypothetical cases, let's play it
> by ear.  That will work for the simple reason that most of us want to
> be reasonable people most of the time.  If we manage to recruit a
> bona-fide asshole, or we get two perfectly reasonable people who hate
> each other passionately and can't control themselves, then we'll need
> to decide what to do in that particular circumstance.  In the
> meantime, we can all just get along.*
> 
> In engineering terms, we have lazy evaluation of our list policy. (-:
> 
> Since I've already gotten longwinded, and nobody is still reading me,
> here's my take on mailing lists/newsgroups/etc.  The two mailing list
> thing is not working.  It's like being at a party where the host told
> you, "Go into the other room if you're going to discuss politics."  It
> doesn't happen.  People talk, and politics come up, and nobody
> interrupts and says, "We have to go to the other room now," or if they
> do, they're ignored.  We're friends.  We talk about what interests us.
> Linux brings us together, but then we digress.
> 
> OTOH, list members have already complained when long threads go off
> topic.  I don't have a good answer for those who wish this list
> had lower volume.
> 
> But I *would* like to see a eug-lug-announce mailing list.  It would
> only contain announcements of meetings and the like, and would
> probably be moderated.  That list would be for the people who don't
> want to join the general conversation but do want to know what EUGLUG
> is doing.
> 
> Sorry, Patrick, but IMO netnews is dead and smelly, and nothing but a
> spam haven.  The fact that only six people used 
> eug.comp.os.linux (sp?)
> is a strong indicator.
> 
> * This paragraph will sound very familiar to Anarchists and Anarchist
>   sympathizers.  But I'm not going to put a label on it, not me! (-:
> 
> -- 
> Bob Miller                              K<bob>
> kbobsoft software consulting
> http://kbobsoft.com                     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 

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