On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 11:13:06PM -0800, Seth Cohn wrote:
> 
> Moving lists is harder, but creating them is pretty easy at this point.
> 

And so ... www@, webdev@ ?? "right now, today" ;]

I would be interested in working on a project for making the website 
more of a community effort.  Even though I only have a few users on my
systems, I find it much easier to add the things they want when I can 
cut&paste or patch, instead of hearing it in passing.

I have a *possible* solution to the cvs-needs-shell problem (sorry, can't
wait until tomorrow):

1) Put the site under CVS, maybe it's already like that, but I didn't
see any tag in index.phtml.  I recently did this with the site I'm
working on (mostly php, some static), and I'm very happy with it.  CVS 
might be clanky and old, but it's still a nice tool.

2) An anonymous ftp upload area.  Quiet down, if it's chrooted, noexec,
and users can't see anything's there, why would someone abuse it, and
what harm could they do?  This would be for people to upload patches, 
content, whatever for the site.  Alternatively, a [www|wwwdev]-changes@ ml 
or gnats or something similar could be used to suggest changes, but large 
additions and graphics or other binaries might be more efficient with one 
direct transfer.

3) An https/password protected (passwords for whoever the group decides can
have one or whatever) area that would have access to the ftp booty and a p*
script that was a frontend to a limited set of CVS commmands.

4) read-only cvs access for the world, so people can make well-formed 
patches :).

5) Of course, documentation for all of it =]

Unless Larry already has something worked out ;)

%%message to self: quit it with the emoticons%%

Like I said, I have personal interest in such a thing, so I would be willing
to commit time and energy to the webdev project, in whatever form it takes.
Unfortunately, I can't commmit to 6pm weekday meetings, so if that's a
problem, well, darn.  Anyway, I'm hoping the ATG guy finishes up tomorrow;
the hardware's in, but the packets, they don't flow :(.  I'll have some idle, 
"permanent" bandwidth at my disposal for at least a few weeks, if not months 
(I don't expect to be saturating what we will have any time soon, but one 
never knows), and would be willing to set up and administer a test machine 
... just a suggestion.  Did I mention I'd document it (and stay as apolitical 
as possible while doing so ;) ? 

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