On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:06:46 -0800
Bob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Look at TMDA.  http://tmda.net/

        Yeah, that's about the same idea.  Has anyone tried this?  I would be 
interested to know how this works in practice.

> Does that answer some of your objections?  Does it sound like a
> reasonable system yet?

        It sounds possible, but when I imagine this in real life I see a lot of 
possible problems.  The first thing I imagine is that the next Outlook worm that hits 
the streets will cause said program to send a lot of postmarked mail to certain places 
for major profit to the writer and major losses to a lot of people.  Maybe even send 
it around all over the place!  That would certainly be a worthy Culture Jam...  One 
solution could be to use a partiular MUA for this service, but that raises even more 
issues that I'm sure I don't have to detail here.  I'm sure I could come up with more, 
but I haven't had my coffee yet.
        If we have some kind of authentication that we trust our money with, why isn't 
that authentication good enough to use without bringing money into it?

        This gives me another idea...  What if all email you sent had to contain your 
digital signature.  Without one, the MTA rejects the mail.  All spam that made it to 
your box would contain a digital signature meaning that you know exactly who sent it  
(This is assuming, of course, that there was a reliable signing authority and 
good/quick procedures in place for providing new signed keys to people.  Once you had 
one, it is yours for life or whatever).  How much spam would stop if it couldn't be 
anonymous??  I don't know, I'm asking what other people think.  I think if everyone 
knew who was sending them advertizements, the backlash on these people or businesses 
would be enough to make spam much less attractive.
        
        I would like to say that I think every idea presented here so far, including 
mine, have major problems that are possibly worse than spam.  In the case of my 
original argument for rejecting known sources in order to convince them to stop or 
whatever, I don't think participation would be high enough to even begin to make that 
work.
        The current usage of huristics and so forth is imperfect as well, but it seems 
to be a compromise that many people can live with (and it's voluntary!).  I imagine it 
will be around for a while, leaving more serious action to individuals (such as the 
tmda thing).

        I would be so upset over for-pay email and/or laws governing email that I 
would probably find myself another line of work out of pure grief.  I realize this is 
melodromatic, but these things share my nightmares with oxogen rationing and laughter 
taxing...

...now for that coffee...

--TimH
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