On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 01:57:05PM -0800, Tim Howe wrote:
> Lets see...  If the US makes a law to outlaw spam, who actually thinks
> this would stop any spam?  How are you going to go after companies that
> spam from outside of the US?  How do you define spam?

Any?  Quite a bit would be stopped, I think, if US companies were required
to stop emailing me to sell their products when they are told to do so.


> The best idea I have heard so far is to refuse email from networks that
> are known to be spam havens.  This idea seems to make people really
> upset, but I can't understand why.  If you are willing to take such a
> ridiculous (and futile) step such as making laws, then why does this
> seem like such an outlandish idea?  It would probably only require a
> very small percentage of servers doing something like this to make a
> major difference.  Imagine if 25% of the people you tried to email to
> couldn't receive your email because your provider allowed (or at least
> did nothing relevant to stop) spammers to exist on their network.  You
> wouldn't complain or switch providers?  Imagine if NOT being in
> something like the SPEWS database was an incentive for people to use
> your service.

Actually, RoadRunner has started probing servers that send them mail about
once a day..  If your server is an open relay, you're blacklisted for a
time and the 550 will tell why.  This is a perfectly valid response, IMO.


> This is a market economy, right?  So far the market supports spammers.
> If we want to get rid of spam, then the market must become hostile to
> it.

This is obvious.  Now: Will rejecting mail from domains with a spam
problem upset your customers more than it will upset the spammers?

-- 
Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>                          Here we go again
 
<Knghtbrd> aggh!
<Knghtbrd> MAKE IT STOP!
<Knghtbrd> MAKE IT STOP!!

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