On Monday 10 November 2003 08:48 pm, Ben Barrett wrote:
: Howdy. Please tend toward *small* conversations, and include people or
: lists AS they define their interest... it is good netiquette. Since I
: don't have anything to do with EFN, I'd like to take the opportunity to
: go ahead and tell my own part... since this wasn't marked as spam
: (darn!).
well.. actually you do, your subscribed to atlest one mailinglists that is
hosted on efn (and therby uses efn mail servers).
:
: I think there is a great responsibility on the end-user. For instance,
: you obviously made the right choice, to not entirely trust the spam
: filter. You got your mail, good. Potential political motivations aside
: (and in these coming months, I expect to see almost *anything* being
: called "politically motivated"!!), I don't think that this has much
: bearing on EUGLUG. Post to activism, please!!!
:
: Buy more viagra, cheaper spam now, great new offer, yada yada.
: Sigh....
:
: ciao,
:
: Ben
:
: PS - What in the world does the OPN Board have to do with EFN's
: technical ops?
:
: PPS - Have a great politcally-motivated evening...
:
:
: On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:02:01 -0800
:
: "Marc Baber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: | Hi Larry (and Cc's),
: |
: | Now that I've got your attention with an over-the-top provocative
: | subject line :-), Please forgive me for singling you (Larry) out as
: | the expert on the subject of [EMAIL PROTECTED], but you've been very helpful on the
: | topic more than once in the past and I suspect you're our best hope of
: |
: | finding answers to a troubling problem:
: |
: | I've been noticing that all e-mail coming to me from the local Dean
: | campaign is flagged as [EMAIL PROTECTED] by EFN's servers. Had I not specifically
: | requested and arranged for my [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be delivered instead of silently
: | deleted, the EFN system would have deleted this e-mail without
: | informing me and I would not be aware of the event announced in this
: | e-mail. Most people don't make the arrangements that I have to see
: | their spam and decide for themselves. I wonder how many EFN users
: | opted into this list and will never hear about the upcoming event
: | because of EFN's [EMAIL PROTECTED] filters? I wonder how that may effect
: | attendance at the event? funds raised? election outcome? (Yeah, I
: | know, but hey, it was *real* close last time!)
: |
: | The overwhelming criterion for identifying this e-mail as [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the
: | "Bayesian [EMAIL PROTECTED] probability". I'm familiar with the term "Bayesian
: | networks" and understand that somebody has probably implemented a spam
: | recognition heuristic based on such technology.
: |
: | My questions are:
: |
: | 1. Is EFN currently using [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the server name "oswald"
: | suggests? If so, what version? If not, what [EMAIL PROTECTED] filter is being
: | used? 2. The "Bayesian probability" suggests to me that there is a
: | repository of reported [EMAIL PROTECTED] somewhere that incoming e-mail is compared
: | against to see if it resembles any previously reported spiced-ham
: | incidents. This leads me to further questions:
: | a. Is the repository local to EFN or "out there on the 'net". If the
: | latter, where (what URL(s)) is the repository?
: | b. Who decides what reference e-mails go into the repositor(ies)?
: | What criteria do they use? Can we check to see who may have reported
: | *solicited* (not unsolicited) Dean campaign e-mail?
: |
: | I think there is a huge incentive for political zealots to abuse spam
: | filters for political goals if they can be so abused. I want to make
: | sure that there are mechanisms in place to prevent such censoring,
: | both at EFN and elsewhere. I welcome knowledge and insights from
: | anyone familiar with popular spam filtering tech.
: |
: | Thank you for listening, This issue is likely to become my favorite
: | rant for the coming year :-),
: |
: | Marc
: |
: | -------- Original Message --------
: | From: - Mon Nov 10 13:48:49 2003
: | X-UIDL: 1058303202.5853
: | X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
: | X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
: | Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] by oswald.efn.org with
: | SpamAssassin (2.60 1.212-2003-09-23-exp); Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:26:22
: | -0800 From: "Ron Burley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: | To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: | Subject: *****SPAM***** [Dean2004] Howard Dean's Birthday Party
: | Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:24:33 -0800
: | Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: | X-Spam-Flag: YES
: | X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on
: | oswald.efn.org
: | X-Spam-Server: oswald.efn.org
: | X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=6.2 required=5.0
: | tests=BAYES_99,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,
: | HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_A,
: | UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.60
: | X-Spam-Level: ******
: | MIME-Version: 1.0
: | Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
: | boundary="----------=_3FB01E9E.C99E58B1"
: |
: |
: |
: | Spam detection software, running on the system "oswald.efn.org", has
: | identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message
: | has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or
: | block similar future email. If you have any questions, see
: | [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details.
: |
: | Content preview: ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C3A79E.C4066290
: | ------=_NextPart_001_00A5_01C3A79E.C4066290 Happy Birthday Howard!
: | You are invited to join Teresa Damron & Lane County for Dean as we
: | celebrate Governor Howard Dean's birthday. The event will be this
: | Saturday, November 15th, beginning at 5pm. There will be a delicious
: | lite buffet, great conversation, Dean videos, free beer & wine, a
: | conference call with the birthday boy and, of course... a birthday
: | cake! Host: Teresa Damron Address: 605 Howard Street (off River
: | Road), Eugene, Oregon Time: 5 - 8pm Space is limited, so RSVP
: | promptly to Ellen Hyman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
: | call LCFD at 541-242-0639. We promise a great time for all and hope
: | that you will be able to join us to wish Howard Dean a Happy
: | Birthday.------=_NextPart_001_00A5_01C3A79E.C4066290 [...]
: |
: | Content analysis details: (6.2 points, 5.0 required)
: |
: | pts rule name description
: | ---- ----------------------
: | --------------------------------------------------
: | 5.4 BAYES_99 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 99 to
: | 100%
: | [score: 1.0000]
: | 0.1 HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE BODY: HTML font color is blue
: | 0.1 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message
: | 0.3 HTML_FONT_BIG BODY: HTML has a big font
: | 0.1 HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE BODY: HTML font color not in safe 6x6x6
: | palette 0.2 HTML_TAG_BALANCE_A BODY: HTML has excess "a" close
: | tags 0.0 UPPERCASE_25_50 message body is 25-50% uppercase
: |
: | The original message was not completely plain text, and may be unsafe
: | to open with some email clients; in particular, it may contain a
: | virus, or confirm that your address can receive spam. If you wish to
: | view it, it may be safer to save it to a file and open it with an
: | editor
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In most countries selling harmful things like drugs is punishable.
Then howcome people can sell Microsoft software and go unpunished?
-- Hasse Skrifvars, [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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